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re: Timber cutting - would you be mad?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 3:53 pm to tenfoe
Posted on 11/9/14 at 3:53 pm to tenfoe
quote:
. It sucks listening to clanging and banging all day, but it doesn't bother deer like everyone here thinks every single deer season.
My buddy is a logger and says the same thing. Says the animals (elk, deer) are always around.
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:47 am to LSUintheNW
I'd like to get in line to lease that property next year if available! 
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:50 am to tenfoe
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I killed a buck yesterday while sitting on a pile of logs. Loggers knocked off around 1:00 yesterday, killed him at 4:00 eating whiteoak acorns off a top they had cut that morning. It sucks listening to clanging and banging all day, but it doesn't bother deer like everyone here thinks every single deer season. It's an inconvenience to move stands, park in different areas, deal with the traffic, etc, but one I gladly accept.
This. Deer are curious too. A lot of times when loggers clear cut, deer will move to them to check out what's going on. I've seen deer tracks right up on a dozer before on a morning after it had been pushing all day.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:55 am to dat yat
Very serious question, how much $$ is there to be had by thinning a 40 acre piece of property?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:14 am to tenfoe
quote:
it doesn't bother deer
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:22 am to Chad504boy
quote:
how much $$ is there to be had by thinning a 40 acre piece of property
It is a "Pay as Cut" contract with $9/ton for pulp and $13/ton for ChipnSaw. There are no sawlogs on the property and he is only thinning the planted pines not the hardwoods in the holler. He estimated that he could take 4000 tons in a clearcut or about 1200 tons in thinning. I estimate about 12K for the thinning.
He is supposed to leave basal area of 70 square feet of trunks per acre when done. I don't know shite about forestry, but my late uncle, a retired forester, advised me on how to manage it when I bought it. The purpose of the thinnings is not necessarily for the money now, it supposedly helps you get to sawlog stage quicker.
tl-dr: about $11-13K.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 10:35 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:32 am to Chad504boy
Depends what's there. There could be 4 scraggly arse loblolly pines, or there could be 100 24" white ashes. Big difference 
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:33 am to Hammertime
quote:
100 24" white ashes
What does that bring?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:35 am to Hammertime
What if you are just talking 40 acres of 15 to 25 year old pine for pulp wood.
Right now it's a 75%, So I'd say 30 total acres of dense pine thicket. Seen here...
Right now it's a 75%, So I'd say 30 total acres of dense pine thicket. Seen here...
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:37 am to dat yat
quote:
would you be mad?
You would have a forest fire before the loggers moved in..
But seriously, it sounds like your planning on being reasonable about it, he should understand,
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:42 am to dat yat
quote:
It is a "Pay as Cut" contract with $9/ton for pulp and $13/ton for ChipnSaw. There are no sawlogs on the property and he is only thinning the planted pines not the hardwoods in the holler. He estimated that he could take 4000 tons in a clearcut or about 1200 tons in thinning. I estimate about 12K for the thinning.
He is supposed to leave basal area of 70 square feet of trunks per acre when done. I don't know shite about forestry, but my late uncle, a retired forester, advised me on how to manage it when I bought it. The purpose of the thinnings is not necessarily for the money now, it supposedly helps you get to sawlog stage quicker.
tl-dr: about $11-13K.
cool deal.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:42 am to dat yat
quote:
It is a "Pay as Cut" contract with $9/ton for pulp and $13/ton for ChipnSaw. There are no sawlogs on the property and he is only thinning the planted pines not the hardwoods in the holler. He estimated that he could take 4000 tons in a clearcut or about 1200 tons in thinning. I estimate about 12K for the thinning. He is supposed to leave basal area of 70 square feet of trunks per acre when done. I don't know shite about forestry, but my late uncle, a retired forester, advised me on how to manage it when I bought it. The purpose of the thinnings is not necessarily for the money now, it supposedly helps you get to sawlog stage quicker.
this sounds pretty reasonable.
hell, you are opening the property up where he will be able to hunt it easier and see more
he should thank you
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 10:44 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:43 am to dat yat
Thinning actually increases overall volume in the long run
quote:Enough to make someone a happy camper. Seriously though, I have no idea now. They are the big money trees
What does that bring?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:49 am to dat yat
Most lease agreements are written in favor of the landowner and allow for things like timber harvesting operations to take place without reimbursement to the hunter. Timber Sale Agreements typically have a term of 1-2 years, with the buyer having the flexibility to harvest the timber anytime within that time frame, including deer season. Anybody that leases timberland for hunting should be prepared for the possibility of having the property they lease harvested during hunting season, especially if it is on good ground and has good access.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:52 am to Palo Gaucho
Agree. We moved loggers around seasonally in certain areas
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:05 am to Palo Gaucho
quote:
Most lease agreements are written in favor of the landowner and allow for things like timber harvesting operations to take place without reimbursement to the hunter.
My lease with the hunter had this clause because I pulled the lease template off a timber company website.
My Arkansas club's lease with Plum Creek also allows them to cut and they did a thinning right before deer season last year. I moved my tripod to the thinning then and shot an 8 pt from that tripod yesterday morning. That said, I did not enjoy the view from that particular stand last year and only hunted it once.
The hunter pays me $800 and legally I don't have to do anything; but I feel for him since it will affect 90% of the property. I'm planning to call him tonight and offer him a couple hundred for his trouble. He still gets the shack and access to the whole Desoto National Forest.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:07 am to dat yat
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:07 am to dat yat
quote:
He still gets the shack and access to the whole Desoto National Forest.
Yea, he should be ok...
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:14 am to wickowick
3 years ago at our lease they started cutting in May. Were supposed to be done and out by July. Well one thing led to another and it was the end of October before they finally finished. I was pissed but I tell ya. A week after they were gone, there were deer EVERYWHERE. I averaged seeing 15+ deer a day that season. Never had one like it before or after. But that season was awesome.
that said, give the hunter the option.
that said, give the hunter the option.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:18 am to The Torch
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They should be able to cut 40 acres and be gone in a week, the deer will not care much.
This. Select cut or clear cut?
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