re: Thoughts on S&W?

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the last review I watched, the guy put 2500 rounds through it and said it jammed less than 10 times and it was because of faulty ammo, not the gun

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That's what fan-boys usually say when their (you fill in the blank) POS fails 10 times.

There are plenty of choices that (statistically) won't fail 10 times in 25,000 rounds.

There are several choices that will shoot virtually any ammo you can buy.

Presuming you'd be getting a handgun for self-defense purposes, it's hard to fathom why anyone would buy an SDVE instead of paying ~$200 more and getting a top-tier, high-quality pistol.

Not saying you fit into this category, but too many people try to reinvent the proverbial wheel. Go do some research and find out how many Law Enforcement agencies issue (or allow their people to carry) an SDVE.

Then Google what % issue (or approve for duty) Glocks and M&P's. There is a reason (maybe several reasons). But reliability is at the top of the list. Some of the .mil folks seem to be on board as well.

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With that logic go buy yourself a Hi-Point or a Lorcin.

You obviously don't have any desire for reliability. Just don't plan to use it for self defense.

FWIW, every single person I've known that's bought a SDVE has sold it and bought something else. The trigger pull is horrible and the build quality sucks. I literally had a SDVE airsoft gun that was more reliable than the real gun. I probably would have preferred the airsoft gun in a self defense situation too.

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Bapple (or anyone else), help me out!!

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Let's see what we got here.

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the ONLY gripe I've seen about the SDVE has been the trigger but even that is ultimately personal preference

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I really cannot stress enough how much a bad trigger can completely affect the novice shooter (or even an experienced shooter) in his or her ability to put accurate rounds on target.

In my classes the two most common guns I see that I prefer students not use are snubbie revolvers (generally an 8-10 pound double action trigger) or a S&W SD/Sigma. With shot anticipation, nervousness, and just general bad form (for being new shooters) these students usually have a much harder time with the guns with crappy triggers. They focus much less on the fundamentals and instead focus on squeezing the crap out of the trigger. When I switch them to any of my own personal guns (FNS9, M&P9c with Apex trigger, M&P Core with Apex trigger, Beretta 90 two, HK VP9 :gf's gun:) they immediately see the value in a good trigger.

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How do you feel about it? Is it a terrible gun?

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It's not necessarily that it's terrible but at that price point (or even simply $50-$200 more dollars) there are options that bring A LOT more desirability to the table.

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I like the fact that it doesn't have a thumb safety,

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Almost all polymer handguns now have no thumb safety or the option to not get one so this shouldn't hinder your decision.

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nd like the fact that it's 16+1 and from all accounts it performs fine with all types of ammo.

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This capacity (or close to it) is also pretty standard in the 9mm double-stack polymer segment.

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the last review I watched, the guy put 2500 rounds through it and said it jammed less than 10 times and it was because of faulty ammo, not the gun

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Anytime I hear that the gun failed a double digit number of times and then they manufacture some excuse, I am quite skeptical. If the ammo is that crappy and causes the gun to malfunction, either try the ammo in a better gun or change ammo. When I start hearing the excuse patrol voice their opinion I immediately wonder how credible the source is.

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For a novice, it can't be that bad, right?

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It can be and it most likely will be.

Think of it this way - would you cut corners on a fire extinguisher, a seat belt, or a climbing harness? I consider a firearm right in that category of safety gear and I want mine to work every single time without much headache. That's the mindset I would say you should have.

My advice to you is to listen to what people are telling you here. If your gun is not reliable, all you have left is to throw it at an assailant. Trigger pull is much more important than you realize. It will affect your accuracy more than you will know.

I had a Ruger LC9 whose trigger pull was longer than from sunrise to sunset. It was ridiculous. I ditched it and got my S&W Shield. The minute I took it out of the box I was in love. Went to the range and was as accurate as could be.

The M&P handguns are made to be reliable despite getting wet or dirty. That could be the difference in living or dying. If you are looking for self-defense, GET THE RELIABLE WEAPON. /rant

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If your gun is not reliable, all you have left is to throw it at an assailant.

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Well I could throw about 90 in high school

I will look into those other models bapp

Not bad for a girl, huh?

My husband has a Springfield, and its trigger is ridiculously sensitive. I hate shooting it because you will double tap that bitch unintentionally every time. I hate that gun.

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Not bad for a girl, huh?

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We need Picts to make that decision.

Well, I'm 61, so you probably really don't want the pics.

I like my women like my whiskey.

Dark brown and aged