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Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:26 pm to AlxTgr
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Sorry, don't believe you.
No exit wound brah.
dangit i dont believe you have a 50 % tracking to no tracking % on bowhunting white tails either
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:33 pm to guesswho
270 or 7mm-08
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:35 pm to thedice20
quote:That's cool. I see most of mine fall and don't even bother with the blood. Expandables, of course.
dangit i dont believe you have a 50 % tracking to no tracking % on bowhunting white tails either
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:37 pm to AlxTgr
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Expandables, of course.
you would go there
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:38 pm to AlxTgr
Lots of people with a personal vendetta against the mouse round making up stories and such
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:43 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Agreed.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:43 pm to AlxTgr
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Expandables, of course.
And that's how the fight started!
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:03 pm to DanTiger
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This sectional density chart tends to disagree with you. Looks like the .243 is more effective thn the .308 150gr.
Nope, that sectional density chart just shows that the 100 grain 243 caliber bullet has a better sectional density than does a 150 grain 308 caliber bullet (by 0.016).... Does anyone here really believe that means a 100 grain 243 bullet travelling at 2900 fps is better at killing deer than is a 150 grain 308 caliber bullet at same velocity? There are a lot of bullet traits that factor into it's lethality, of which sectional density is only one (albeit small). A bullet w/ a high sectional desity is not going to be as effective as it should if the jacket/core separate, the bullet is lightly constructed so that it doesn't penetrate bone well (at either the entrance of the exit wound) or the bullet fails to exit or leaves a small exit hole. After years of deer hunting, I don't use anything smaller than 30 caliber on PM hunts. Like everyone else, I like deer to go down immediately, but I also cherish a nice blood trail.
It took longer than usual for this thread to end up w/ the expected 223/243 vs others outcome, but once it did, it really took off.
W/ shots limited to inside 200 yards, I'm still curious why anyone would rec a 223/243 for a beginner vs a reduced load 7-08, 270 or 308?
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:10 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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A bullet w/ a high sectional desity is not going to be as effective as it should if the jacket/core separate, the bullet is lightly constructed so that it doesn't penetrate bone well (at either the entrance of the exit wound) or the bullet fails to exit or leaves a small exit hole. After years of deer hunting, I don't use anything smaller than 30 caliber on PM hunts. Like everyone else, I like deer to go down immediately, but I also cherish a nice blood trail.
That is why I mentioned the partition.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:12 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
quote:Because there simply is no good reason not to. Besides, none of these idots are actually endorsing reduced loads.
I'm still curious why anyone would rec a 223/243 for a beginner vs a reduced load 7-08, 270 or 308?
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:16 pm to guesswho
I don't see anything wrong with a 30-30 - except she needs to limit the extreme range of those shots.
If she's comfortable with a 20 gauge, already, that would be a great, fairly similar platform to take deer with. However, that is more of a walking gun.
From a stand, I don't see why she can't shoot a .30-06 or bigger. If she can handle a 20 gauge in a duck blind, she can handle a .30-06 in a stand. Just MHO.
If she's comfortable with a 20 gauge, already, that would be a great, fairly similar platform to take deer with. However, that is more of a walking gun.
From a stand, I don't see why she can't shoot a .30-06 or bigger. If she can handle a 20 gauge in a duck blind, she can handle a .30-06 in a stand. Just MHO.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 5:39 pm to AlxTgr
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Because there simply is no good reason not to.
That's the best reason to use a 223/243? I don't buy that one. I'd consider a smaller caliber if there was a legitimate reason that made it the best tool for the job. Saying there's no good reason NOT to use it doesn't convince me the 223/243 is the best tool.
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Besides, none of these idots are actually endorsing reduced loads.
I did and posed it as part of the question. Do you (or anyone else here) recommend a 223/243 for beginner deer hunter instead a reduced load 7-08, 270 or 308? If so, I'd like to hear a logical explanation why.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 5:55 pm to DanTiger
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Really? This sectional density chart tends to disagree with you. Looks like the .243 is more effective thn the .308 150gr.
Here are some typical hunting bullets and their sectional densities that are recognized as effective for medium size big game animals (CXP2), such as deer, antelope, sheep and goats:
.243" (6mm) 95 grain, SD .230
.243" (6mm) 100 grain, SD .242
.257" (.25) 100 grain, SD .216
.257" (.25) 115 grain, SD .249
.264" (6.5mm) 120 grain, SD .247
.277" (.270) 130 grain, SD .242
.284" (7mm) 140 grain, SD .248
.308" (7.62mm) 150 grain, SD .226
.312" (.303) 150 grain, SD .220
.323" (8mm) 170 grain, SD .233
.338" (.338) 180 grain, SD .225
.358" (.35) 200 grain, SD .223
Although you mentioned the 22 cal Nosler Partition on your post 1 page earlier, your SD post I was replying to made no mention of it. Also, CXP is a game classification used by Winchester, hence the confusion. Nevertheless, if I absolutely had to shoot a deer inside 200 yards w/ a 223 or 243, it would be a broadside (or neck/head if I felt comfortable w/ it) using a heavy for caliber Partition. OTOH, given the construction of the Partition bullet to penetrate deeply, compared to more lilghtly constructed big game bullets it usually produces a smaller than usual wound. There have been some dramatic one shot kills w/ smaller calibers, but every now and then there will be a bewildering "miss" or wounded deer. For me, I don't want to run the risk of the latter if I can minimize that risk w/ a bigger caliber bullet. To each his own.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 5:56 pm to Ace Midnight
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I don't see anything wrong with a 30-30 - except she needs to limit the extreme range of those shots.
1+
Posted on 7/22/13 at 6:18 pm to AlxTgr
But 243 bounces off a deer hide.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 6:28 pm to guesswho
Oh my, this escalated quickly.
I personally like a Ruger No. 1 in .257 Roberts with a leupold VX-III on top. Only issue is ammo for it ain't cheap. But Cabelas never runs out of it.
I personally like a Ruger No. 1 in .257 Roberts with a leupold VX-III on top. Only issue is ammo for it ain't cheap. But Cabelas never runs out of it.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 6:32 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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W/ shots limited to inside 200 yards, I'm still curious why anyone would rec a 223/243 for a beginner vs a reduced load 7-08, 270 or 308?
Why not just use a 300 Win Mag with a brake?
Posted on 7/22/13 at 7:03 pm to guesswho
Good small (short/light) rifle for gf is Rem. model 7 in .243 or 7mm08. Either will accomplish purpose. If choose .243 and tracking required Downshift recently posted pic of truck load of good looking tracking dogs and if gf turns into Mrs. .243 can be passed down to kids . Haven't seen empirical data but have to believe % of non- women/ kids deer hunting with .243's is very low.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 7:07 pm to ShowMeWhatYouGotRaji
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Ruger No. 1
Classy rifle
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