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re: Property line question

Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:54 am to
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29363 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:54 am to
quote:

"Running water" is public.


I am going to go with the side of "no".

Some yes, all no.
Posted by JayWall
Southern California
Member since Jul 2013
84 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:03 am to
quote:

Meh, if I did a canal through my property, and due to the hydrology of the area, water runs through said canal, it's still private


See my comments earlier in the thread. Yes, privately dug canals are private. However, if you have a bayou running through your land, you can't prevent others form boating down said bayou.

Yea there are many coonasses in South LA that attempt to do this but that doesn't make it legal.

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The mere fact that the water itself may be public,


That's the point. The water is public. It doesn't mean you can get out the boat or use the bank. But float the boat, you may.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81759 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:07 am to
quote:

However, if you have a bayou running through your land, you can't prevent others form boating down said bayou.

This is true only if it were navigable in 1812.

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The water is public.
This is a meaningless statement. See the trespass cases on high water.
Posted by JayWall
Southern California
Member since Jul 2013
84 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:25 am to
Do you have a case (or any law) stating that a land owner may post a natural bayou running through private land?

As in, you can't boat down the bayou.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81759 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:32 am to
quote:

Do you have a case (or any law) stating that a land owner may post a natural bayou running through private land?

As in, you can't boat down the bayou.

Do I? It's the law of the State. Navigable in 1812 is the key. Here is an ok resource.
Posted by JayWall
Southern California
Member since Jul 2013
84 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:44 am to
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Do I? It's the law of the State. Navigable in 1812 is the key


For navigability, yes.

I think you're confusing who owns the bed and banks with who owns the water. See the following link for some clarification. Just because a private landowner owns the bed doesn't mean he "owns" the water.

Attorney General's Opinion
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81759 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:48 am to
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I think you're confusing who owns the bed and banks with who owns the water. See the following link for some clarification. Just because a private landowner owns the bed doesn't mean he "owns" the water.

What you are saying is not even a concept.

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Attorney General's Opinion



That's a joke, and counter to every case where this has come up.

If a stream, river or other body of "running water" was not navigable in 1812, the public has no right to travel on it through private property. Period.
Posted by JayWall
Southern California
Member since Jul 2013
84 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:53 am to
I'm sorry you are unable to grasp the concept that bed/bank ownership is separate from water ownership.

Posted by byutgr
Thibodaux
Member since Apr 2005
455 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:57 am to
I am fairly certain from reading Alex's posts the he is a Louisiana lawyer. JW, if you are a Louisiana lawyer, you must have slept through your Civil Law Property class.
Posted by HobGoblin3030
Member since Feb 2014
2 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:57 am to
I think we've deviated slightly from the call of the question. The water body is a pond on private land that is split by two property owners. Each owner owns their side of the bank and to the thread of the bed of the pond (half of the bed). As for the water, both may enter the pond from their side of the bank and fish any part of the water they may navigate. Obviously the pond is non-navigable and most likely stagnant. The two land owners are the only two that can fish the pond.
Posted by JayWall
Southern California
Member since Jul 2013
84 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 12:17 pm to
If he really is a lawyer that's actually sad. If you can't differentiate the basic concepts of bed/bank ownership vs water ownership then you have no business being a lawyer.
Posted by Langston
Member since Nov 2010
7685 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 12:33 pm to
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If he really is a lawyer that's actually sad. If you can't differentiate the basic concepts of bed/bank ownership vs water ownership then you have no business being a lawyer


Just because you can't seem to understand what he is saying, doesn't mean he doesn't understand it.
Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 12:40 pm to
mr wall, I'd love to invite you down here and just settle all these cases in the courts right now that the judges can't seem to settle. you seem to know much more than our dumas lawyers and judges, and in fact, the whole state of la. if you can't,, why not just stfu?
Posted by JayWall
Southern California
Member since Jul 2013
84 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 1:23 pm to
Not to worry my friend. I know and understand the law. I also know that judges don't actually apply the "law" in all circumstance. It's politics.

You, on the other hand, are probably some old fart that thinks he can keep me from fishing in a public bayou simply because you've done it for years. Maybe we'll cross paths one day and I'll show your old arse that I have every right to use all the public waters of the state.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81759 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

I'm sorry you are unable to grasp the concept that bed/bank ownership is separate from water ownership.
Water ownership? You have no idea what you're talking about. We are talking about trespass vs non-trespass. If you want to talk about irrigation, go to the irrigation thread. If you want to talk about right to be somewhere you better start typing "1812" a whole lot more.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56523 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 1:27 pm to
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I'll show your old arse that I have every right to use all the public waters of the state.


there is so much loser in this statement, I don't know where to start. The great thing Jay, is you wont understand all the wonderful hilarious reasons.
Posted by JayWall
Southern California
Member since Jul 2013
84 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 1:30 pm to
I don't have time to be entertained by you clowns anymore. Got to go get the boat ready to fish in some public water tomorrow like the Attorney General says I can.

Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81759 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 1:33 pm to
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Got to go get the boat ready to fish in some public water tomorrow like the Attorney General says I can.
Not one person here is saying that you can't access public water. The atty gen. opinion assumes that the cananl in quest is in fact the Amite River. Guess what? The Amite was navigable in 1812. You simply don't understand what it takes to make a waterway public.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29363 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

Not to worry my friend. I know and understand the law. I also know that judges don't actually apply the "law" in all circumstance. It's politics.


Sorry, I just got it. I am slow on the troll uptake. Sorry I didn't recognize you for what you are.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81759 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

Sorry, I just got it. I am slow on the troll uptake. Sorry I didn't recognize you for what you are.

Sounds like he has been to the 12th JDC to me.
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