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Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:35 pm to
Posted by JayWall
Southern California
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:35 pm to
The waterway you are referring to is likely man-made. Like I said before, in that case it is private. If its a natural bayou that's running water, it's public. That's the law.

Remember just because its the law doesn't mean that's the way a court is going to rule. This is Louisiana after all
Posted by byutgr
Thibodaux
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:38 pm to
You don't have a clue about Louisiana law. The water itself is irrelevant.
Posted by farad
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:44 pm to
yea it was probably dug years ago for oil and gas exploration...
Posted by bpinson
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:51 pm to
In Ms. Joe can put his boat in on his land or land he has legal access to paddle his arse all over the pond/lake. This is commonly asked during duck season and as long as Joe is within the normal high water mark he is legal. If the water rises and Joe wants to go into the timber in his boat he is trespassing.
Posted by bpinson
Ms
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:53 pm to
In Ms. Joe can put his boat in on his land or land he has legal access to paddle his arse all over the pond/lake. This is commonly asked during duck season and as long as Joe is within the normal high water mark he is legal. If the water rises and Joe wants to go into the timber in his boat he is trespassing.
Posted by JayWall
Southern California
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:58 pm to
The OP wanted to cross property lines in his boat over water.

And the water is irrelevant. You must be one of those Internet lawyers I've heard about
Posted by Ole Geauxt
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 6:07 pm to
PAGING NASCAR,,, NASCAR TO POND THREAD
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STAT.
Posted by byutgr
Thibodaux
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 6:39 pm to
Insofar as the legal rights of the parties are concerned, and whether the property is public or private, the water itself, and where it came from, is irrelevant. And you are right, I am an internet lawyer. Or a lawyer on the internet, take your pick.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 10:28 pm to
No it's a pond & not a navigable waterway
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 10:43 pm to
Screw it throw dynamite onto his side of the pond.
Posted by Solicitor
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 10:46 pm to
quote:

Not.


All running waters are in fact owned by the state in a public capacity. See la civil code art 450 for your reference.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 12:50 am to
You literally couldn't be more wrong about this.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 7:33 am to
Just wanted to ad something that's missing in here.

1812.

Carry on.
Posted by byutgr
Thibodaux
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 7:36 am to
And we have a winner!
Posted by byutgr
Thibodaux
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 7:40 am to
It is a lot more complicated than the literal interpretation of one Code article. The second paragraph of Article 450 says that "Public things that belong to the state are such as running waters, the waters and bottoms of natural navigable water bodies, the territorial sea, and the seashore." See comment (f) under La. Civil Code Article 450 wherein it is stated that the term "natural navigable water bodies" refers to inland waters the bottoms of which belong to the state either by virtue of its inherent sovereignty or by virtue of other modes of acquisition, including expropriation. Artificial waterways located on private property for private purposes may, of course, be private things...". If you really want a detailed discussion of the subject see Chapter IV of Yippy's Louisiana Civil Law Treatise on Property. Then you will be right in the thick of the ongoing battle between coastal landowners and fishermen.
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 8:50 am
Posted by JayWall
Southern California
Member since Jul 2013
84 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:25 am to
quote:

You literally couldn't be more wrong about this


What an intelligent contribution to this thread.

"Running water" is public. Sorry that you're butt hurt about this.

ETA: Until a court says otherwise, I'm going to fish in all "running waters"
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 10:36 am
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:37 am to
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You get your wiring straight.
quote:

QuietTiger



Sorry forgot about this post. if you check back. I kind of got it straight. once you said 4 way switch, I figured it a bit more. Only issue right now Im having is flickering with the light. But I think thats because I have two dimmers on the circuit. Ill throw a switch this weekend instead of one of the dimmers and see if thats my issue
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:42 am to
quote:

"Running water" is public. Sorry that you're butt hurt about this.

Meh, if I did a canal through my property, and due to the hydrology of the area, water runs through said canal, it's still private. I don't even recall that article being important to these discussions by the courts. When mentioned, you generally see,

quote:

Article 450 did not confer a general right of use upon the public to access private lands by virtue of the overflow waters from a navigable river.
Posted by byutgr
Thibodaux
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455 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:46 am to
There are places in South Louisiana where I invite you to attempt to do so, and you will be arrested for trespassing if you refuse to leave. The mere fact that the water itself may be public, does not alter the ownership of private waterbottoms, such as a canal constructed on private lands with private funds. There are several Louisiana court cases right on point. Enjoy your fishing trip, but bring bail money.
Posted by StripedSaint
Member since Jun 2011
2385 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:46 am to
No, it's not. Not even all "navigable" water is public.
LA defines navigablity of floating a boat of some size to carry men and goods for trade.

Looking at some old textbooks, if both parties own half the the pond, On average both have right of use of the water of the pond. I am assuming for the exact reason the OP is talking about: "who owns the fish?"
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 10:54 am
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