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Picked this up for free tonight. 1959-1961S&W Model 10 .38 Special w/ 4" Barrel
Posted on 7/5/15 at 12:28 am
Posted on 7/5/15 at 12:28 am
Yeah, its my third gun thread in 2 days. I feel like this definitely deserves its own thread though.
My understanding is the C at the beginning of the Serial number means it was manufactured between 1948 and 1952. I know it is at least older than any of the Model 64s. Because they are the stainless steel versions of the 10. However, this is a Model 10, not a model 64, and is stainless rather than blued.
Is anyone a S&W history expert? Would love to know a bit more about it if possible. Included every identification feature I could find in the pics below. For such a popular model, I cant find as much information as I thought I would be able to. At least, on my initial searches.
Personal History:
This was my grandfather's for years. In the early 80s it was stolen from his home, and took a couple months to get it back. When the Police finally found it, he gave it to my dad because he had already bought a replacement. It's sat in my dad's drawer safe ever since. In fact, the only time it was ever fired was by the thieves. My dad has no use for it, and I wanted something my wife could use in an emergency. She only has one arm, so using a slide on a semi-auto is difficult. Talked to my dad and grandfather tonight and both agreed I could have it. The one condition my grandfather had was that the gun had to stay in the family. I am not allowed to sell or trade it.
Based on its manufacturing age, and my grandfather's age(he was a kid when it was manufactured), I am wondering if it was my great-grandfather's. Forgot to ask him tonight. My grandfather's memory is failing, so I need to ask him next time I see him. Get the answer before its gone. I am hoping it was, because my G-GF's name was Artillery. The last of 3(maybe 4) straight generations in our family to have that name, and my son who is due in Sept will have the middle name Artillery. It would be nice to have something from his namesake to hand down to my him.
Do ya'll think the powder in the ammunition is any good? I am going to buy more anyway, but until I can this is all I have. It's been in the same drawer safe as the gun for 25+ years, always in air conditioning. I'm guessing the hollow point tips oxidized?
The gun itself is still really tight. Action is incredibly smooth. Feels and looks like it was cleaned yesterday. Its kinda crazy to me, considering how long it has been sitting.
It does look like there may be some pitting inside the barrel. Actually, scratch that, I shone my flashlight down the barrel. Its a bunch of white streaks, only at the end of the muzzle and the end of the breach, none in the middle of the barrel. Gunpowder burns? I'll try to get some pics on my wifes phone tomorrow. Her camera is a lot better than mine, might be able to zoom in enough.
Some more pictures of this beauty.
Ammunition:
These are the closest things to defects on the gun. A small discoloration on the grip, and a few slight rough spots in the wood. The metal S&W emblems embedded in the handle have a little bit of patina on them as well.
Edit:
Apparently I am off on the date, but it is hard to tell because S&W is so dagnabbed confusing. I think it was manufactured around 1959. It is a 4 screw, not a 5 or 3, and it is a Model-1-0. Not a 10-1 which started in 61. The serial number suggests early 1961, but the model number suggests earlier. It's friggin weird.
My understanding is the C at the beginning of the Serial number means it was manufactured between 1948 and 1952. I know it is at least older than any of the Model 64s. Because they are the stainless steel versions of the 10. However, this is a Model 10, not a model 64, and is stainless rather than blued.
Is anyone a S&W history expert? Would love to know a bit more about it if possible. Included every identification feature I could find in the pics below. For such a popular model, I cant find as much information as I thought I would be able to. At least, on my initial searches.
Personal History:
This was my grandfather's for years. In the early 80s it was stolen from his home, and took a couple months to get it back. When the Police finally found it, he gave it to my dad because he had already bought a replacement. It's sat in my dad's drawer safe ever since. In fact, the only time it was ever fired was by the thieves. My dad has no use for it, and I wanted something my wife could use in an emergency. She only has one arm, so using a slide on a semi-auto is difficult. Talked to my dad and grandfather tonight and both agreed I could have it. The one condition my grandfather had was that the gun had to stay in the family. I am not allowed to sell or trade it.
Based on its manufacturing age, and my grandfather's age(he was a kid when it was manufactured), I am wondering if it was my great-grandfather's. Forgot to ask him tonight. My grandfather's memory is failing, so I need to ask him next time I see him. Get the answer before its gone. I am hoping it was, because my G-GF's name was Artillery. The last of 3(maybe 4) straight generations in our family to have that name, and my son who is due in Sept will have the middle name Artillery. It would be nice to have something from his namesake to hand down to my him.
Do ya'll think the powder in the ammunition is any good? I am going to buy more anyway, but until I can this is all I have. It's been in the same drawer safe as the gun for 25+ years, always in air conditioning. I'm guessing the hollow point tips oxidized?
The gun itself is still really tight. Action is incredibly smooth. Feels and looks like it was cleaned yesterday. Its kinda crazy to me, considering how long it has been sitting.
It does look like there may be some pitting inside the barrel. Actually, scratch that, I shone my flashlight down the barrel. Its a bunch of white streaks, only at the end of the muzzle and the end of the breach, none in the middle of the barrel. Gunpowder burns? I'll try to get some pics on my wifes phone tomorrow. Her camera is a lot better than mine, might be able to zoom in enough.
Some more pictures of this beauty.
Ammunition:
These are the closest things to defects on the gun. A small discoloration on the grip, and a few slight rough spots in the wood. The metal S&W emblems embedded in the handle have a little bit of patina on them as well.
Edit:
Apparently I am off on the date, but it is hard to tell because S&W is so dagnabbed confusing. I think it was manufactured around 1959. It is a 4 screw, not a 5 or 3, and it is a Model-1-0. Not a 10-1 which started in 61. The serial number suggests early 1961, but the model number suggests earlier. It's friggin weird.
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 9:33 am
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:23 am to texag7
quote:
Would probably keep newer loads in it for home protection though.
Hopefully I will have time to pick some up tomorrow.
What grain would be advisable? Obviously I want to do hollowpoints, but 148gr, 150gr, 158gr, etc...or has round development progressed to the point I dont need a hyper +P round in a .38 to get the job done?
Obviously I need to teach my wife to shoot, and to shoot well. Location is as important as anything else.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 7:13 am to VaBamaMan
Great gun! Can't help on the info but wanted to say it's great to get something like that handed down through generations. I have an old single barrel 12 gauge an uncle gave me that belonged to my grandfather. Uncle had unscrewed the butt plate and found GF's hunting license from 1950, the year I was born. That is framed now and on a book shelf.
My dad gave me his Winchester Model 12 16 gauge years ago and it will be passed down to MSWebfoot's oldest.
Treasure that beautiful heirloom!
My dad gave me his Winchester Model 12 16 gauge years ago and it will be passed down to MSWebfoot's oldest.
Treasure that beautiful heirloom!
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:29 am to LSUCouyon
That's a C series K-frame with fixed sights.
Was made in 1961-62
Also notice the barrel is pinned.
Was made in 1961-62
Also notice the barrel is pinned.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:20 am to KingRanch
It definitely looks nickle plated.
Fine gun.
Fine gun.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:06 am to texag7
that is so cool! personally, I would probably buy my wife something else to shoot and keep that just the way it is now.. I just can't get over the condition that revolver is in and the story that goes with it, just incredible!!
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:49 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
Fine gun
Except for the nickel plate.
I would get that removed and reblue, but that's just me.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 11:40 am to KingRanch
quote:
Except for the nickel plate.
I would get that removed and reblue, but that's just me.
I wouldnt touch it. Thats the way his grandad bought it thats the way it should stay. If he wants a blued revolver he should just buy one.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 12:41 pm to KingRanch
quote:
Except for the nickel plate.
It is Stainless, not nickel. It is the same as the Model 64s(Stainless Model 10s) that started in 1970. It is just 10 years older than the oldest 64s, back when they made Model 10s both blued and stainless.
It was never blued, and it would ruin the value to blue it. Finding a stainless-pre Model 64s in this good of shape is really rare. It really is a gorgeous gun. Pictures dont do it justice.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 12:42 pm to VaBamaMan
Damn.....that is a pretty piece.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:00 pm to VaBamaMan
Smith never made a model 10 in stainless. It's either a satin chrome or a nickel plated finish.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:40 pm to chesty
quote:
that is so cool! personally, I would probably buy my wife something else to shoot and keep that just the way it is now.. I just can't get over the condition that revolver is in and the story that goes with it, just incredible!!
I will get her something else in the long run, but for now this will work in emergencies. I am not buying it for her to take out on the range on a consistent basis. Just something to have around the house when she desperately needs it. With a 4" barrel it is definitely NOT a C&C gun. Not in a purse anyway. It would work for open carry on my hip, to heavy for anything else.
Just shot it. As smooth as can be. When using it as a single action, the trigger pull is incredibly short and light. It actually surprised me, I jumped a bit when it went off because I thought I had another half inch of pull left. Pretty sweet little gun
Quick question for those with experience shooting these. How do I line up the sight? Is it the top of the sight? middle? Which part is supposed to be "dead on".
Posted on 7/5/15 at 2:10 pm to VaBamaMan
Take the grips off the gun with a flathead screwdriver, there should be an "N" stamped on the bottom of the grip frame meaning it was factory nickeled. Sometimes there is also an "N" marked on the front of the cylinder by the ejector star.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 2:20 pm to KingRanch
quote:
Smith never made a model 10 in stainless. It's either a satin chrome or a nickel plated finish.
Best I can tell, it is factory nickel. I know he did not get it refinished, so it is either factory nickel or factory satin chrome.
I like it better than the blue, just looks better to me. It is in excellent good shape too. I know nickel can be fragile after being chipped, but it holds up to neglect and the outdoors better than those that are blued.
You are right about the stainless, that didnt start till the Model 64s.
When it got stolen, he went and bought a Model 64 Stainless with Pearl Handles. I am going to ask him to see it next time I am over at his house.
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 5:08 pm to KingRanch
quote:
Smith never made a model 10 in stainless. It's either a satin chrome or a nickel plated finish.
KR is correct that is nickel finish. The model 60 was the first stainless Smith and Wesson revolver introduced in 1965.
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