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re: Official AR-15 thread
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:46 am to bbvdd
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:46 am to bbvdd
I agree. I fell for the quality comparison a year ago. Traded in an Anderson built AR with a stern defense 9mm upper, Colt King Cobra, and a PSA AK for a DDM4v7. Still owed money on it after trading. All in the name of “Anderson is trash, DD is king.”
I love the rifle, but I feel bad for giving up what I had to get it.
I love the rifle, but I feel bad for giving up what I had to get it.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:57 am to finchmeister08
That's a lot to give up for a single rifle, that I seriously doubt you can tell much difference in shooting the DD to the Anderson.
ETA: I have a few 80% lowers that I milled myself, and they shoot wonderfully. Have a PSA lower on a AR-10 and the gun is sub mod.
too many gun snobs bash good guns because they don't cost as much a others.
ETA: I have a few 80% lowers that I milled myself, and they shoot wonderfully. Have a PSA lower on a AR-10 and the gun is sub mod.
too many gun snobs bash good guns because they don't cost as much a others.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:25 pm to bbvdd
I can be a bit obsessive/compulsive, and I’ll eventually talk myself into anything if I think about it for too long.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:14 pm to Jon A thon
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So I'm about ready to make a decision an the optic for my 300 blk sbr build. Outside of just a fun range toy, this will be a home defense rifle. Current plan is the Eotech EXPS2-2. Not pinching pennies on this one. What are the boards thoughts compared to say an Aimpoint red dot. I'm interested in the Holographic for the field of view and just to try out the tech.
FWIW, after running some courses I just swapped that optic for another T2. I'm not anti-eotech (although the guy I do the most training from is, oddly), but I just decided I wanted the smaller footprint/weight and consistency across my top rifles.
I was going to try an Acro on my sub gun but I think I might....get yet another T2 instead It previously wore an MRO.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:32 pm to Pettifogger
Ended up purchasing the Eotech through Amazon over the weekend. I got the EXPS2-0 over the 2-2. Figured I'll simplify the sight picture and I'm not planning to be driving tacks at 200 yds woth an 8" barrel 300 blk.
Sight came in and is mounted. Nothing to dislike so far although I haven't shot with it.
Sight came in and is mounted. Nothing to dislike so far although I haven't shot with it.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:11 am to Jon A thon
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Sight came in and is mounted. Nothing to dislike so far although I haven't shot with it.
Don't overthink it. It's a tool meant to put a round on target relatively quickly, so if it does that and it's reliable then it's a good sight.
I watched a bunch of people who were perfectly happy with their T1s suddenly become unhappy with it because the T2s came out and had a slightly less bluish tint to the lens. Plenty of youtube videos and picture comparisons spurred them on, convincing them the new sight was better and they needed to replace it. Or their MRO was defective because it had a slight fisheye around the edges that they never noticed before someone pointed it out in a review.
People rag on the cell phone industry for convincing people they must have the next greatest thing, and they're not wrong, but Apple and Samsung don't have anything on the firearm/accessory industry.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:27 am to Flats
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convincing people they must have the next greatest thing
I don't necessarily fall for this too much. I'm not one to go buy something new if I have something that is working.
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Don't overthink it
I 100% do this when purchasing something new though. If I'm spending nearly $600, I don't want buyers remorse, so I do tend to over think it. But that's half the fun .
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Have any of you bought this KAK K-Spec BCG with "Down Vents"
I just hit the purchase button on one of these this morning. Pretty much finishes all the purchases for the gun when it comes next week. Just waiting on the stamp to clear to go take it for a spin at the range.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 2:33 pm to Jon A thon
I’m an AR newbie so bear with me:
I’ve been wanting to get into the AR15 world for target practice, new hobby, self defense, etc. was looking at all the options and was really looking at the LWRC model seen below:
IC DI MLOK 556
Read plenty of reviews on that gun and LWRC as a company and it seems like a great set up.
I go into Cabelas to lay eyes on one and the guy behind the counter says that I can build the same quality gun through PSA for 500-600 bucks.
I’m looking for something dependable, accurate, and high quality. A “one and done” sort of gun.
Is the extra 1000 spent on a LWRC worth it compared to building your own with a PSA parts kit and stripped lower? Or is this guy just out of touch?
I’ve been wanting to get into the AR15 world for target practice, new hobby, self defense, etc. was looking at all the options and was really looking at the LWRC model seen below:
IC DI MLOK 556
Read plenty of reviews on that gun and LWRC as a company and it seems like a great set up.
I go into Cabelas to lay eyes on one and the guy behind the counter says that I can build the same quality gun through PSA for 500-600 bucks.
I’m looking for something dependable, accurate, and high quality. A “one and done” sort of gun.
Is the extra 1000 spent on a LWRC worth it compared to building your own with a PSA parts kit and stripped lower? Or is this guy just out of touch?
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/24/24 at 2:43 pm to cforester821
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I’m looking for something dependable, accurate, and high quality. A “one and done” sort of gun.
I'm not the one to tell you how to spend your money, but a couple notes here.
First, you won't stop with one AR.
Second, you can buy kits through PSA and make a great AR that will be dependable and accurate. You can also buy one already built for the 500-600 range.
Finally, I've never handled an $1800 AR, but I'm not sure what it can do that my PSA build can't, so I can't see myself ever buying one that expensive.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:04 pm to cforester821
To piggyback on LST's reply, almost everyone in this thread started as a "1 and done" and very few of us have remain as one. Here's how it works. You get your rifle, it's awesome but you want to make a few tweaks or you want to try out a new part....after 5 or so new parts and customizations, you nearly have enough parts to build another pistol/rifle...and this cycle keeps repeating
A friend suggested this method to me when I was getting my one and done. Start with a dependable but cost efficient firearm, then start customizing it to your wants. After it's to your liking, if you still want a "better" quality AR, buy the receiver set from that manufacturer and add all your customizations to that. My one and done AR15 spawned into 3.5-4 full builds.
A friend suggested this method to me when I was getting my one and done. Start with a dependable but cost efficient firearm, then start customizing it to your wants. After it's to your liking, if you still want a "better" quality AR, buy the receiver set from that manufacturer and add all your customizations to that. My one and done AR15 spawned into 3.5-4 full builds.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:09 pm to The Nino
I figured I wouldn’t stop with just one, but that’s the present goal. Lol.
I guess what I’m saying is that I’d like one that isn’t just “great value brand” quality that I know I’m going to replace a bunch of parts for anyway. I’d like to start at least with a middle of the road quality and then go from there.
I guess what I’m saying is that I’d like one that isn’t just “great value brand” quality that I know I’m going to replace a bunch of parts for anyway. I’d like to start at least with a middle of the road quality and then go from there.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:37 pm to cforester821
i have a couple of high end rifles that I bought kits and built myself and I have several that are built with lower end stuff.
you can get a rifle for under $1000 that is just as reliable as a $2000 rifle.
The price difference comes in the fit, finish, quality of components, and a lot in the name.
I personally am not expecting to put 10k rounds through mine in a year so a cheaper rifle would be just fine for my uses. I just wanted the high end rifles.
you can get a rifle for under $1000 that is just as reliable as a $2000 rifle.
The price difference comes in the fit, finish, quality of components, and a lot in the name.
I personally am not expecting to put 10k rounds through mine in a year so a cheaper rifle would be just fine for my uses. I just wanted the high end rifles.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:20 pm to cforester821
Guns are kind of like cars. Some guys go buy one off the lot and never put one accessory on it. Next guy takes it straight to the light shop for a lift, led lights , tires and wheels. You can buy a PSA gun and it will do 98% of what you want. Some guys like taking it to the next level. Unfortunately I’m one of those guys.
I started in 2008 with a plain Jane AR. I turned it into a tricked out SBR. I have 9 today with 11 cans. It can get expensive fast.
I started in 2008 with a plain Jane AR. I turned it into a tricked out SBR. I have 9 today with 11 cans. It can get expensive fast.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 4/24/24 at 6:10 pm to LoneStarTiger
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I've never handled an $1800 AR, but I'm not sure what it can do that my PSA build can't, so I can't see myself ever buying one that expensive.
I've only just started seriously messing with ARs in the last few months. But already liken it to when I was into cycling. I couldn't tell the difference between entry level race quality and top of the line when I started. But after I'd upgrade something, I wouldn't want to go back. After a while, you get accustomed to the very small things that are really not a huge return for the investment, but you have this new obsession and you just have to get it, haha. That's how I ended up with $5k bikes, and I'm sure I'll have an overpriced AR at some point. But I also research the hell out of the little things and usually only buy when I see a good value, at least compared to standard MSRP.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 4/24/24 at 6:27 pm to cforester821
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I go into Cabelas to lay eyes on one and the guy behind the counter says that I can build the same quality gun through PSA for 500-600 bucks.
Let me put it into a different perspective with a relation to a different outdoor activity.
When the fishermen here decide to go out, how many prefer the tried and true “Zebco 33” vs a “Shimano 22 Beastmaster”.
Yeah, the Zebco 33 will catch fish, but i bet that Shimano reel feels real good reeling in a nice sized fish.
You really won’t feel the quality difference until you have them side by side. I was at the lgs store the other day and they had a Daniel Defense M4A1 with the new RIS III handguard. Never the like the look of them until I held it the other day. It was a solid rifle, but function wise, it’s just like the PSA stuff.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 6:51 pm to Jon A thon
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KAK K-Spec BCG with "Down Vents
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I just hit the purchase button on one of these this morning.
Cool. Let us know how you like it. I’ve been sitting on one in my cart for a few days now.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 10:27 pm to Jon A thon
Sheeeeit welcome to the party pal.
I started with a value PSA 5.56 Carbine that I purchased for $500 last year.
After changing out parts and adding attachments it’s a $2,000 gun now. And it’s still the original barrel and trigger.
Added an eotech and a thermal both with quick detach. Hell, my sling was $80
It’s expensive but fun. And the gun is awesome
I started with a value PSA 5.56 Carbine that I purchased for $500 last year.
After changing out parts and adding attachments it’s a $2,000 gun now. And it’s still the original barrel and trigger.
Added an eotech and a thermal both with quick detach. Hell, my sling was $80
It’s expensive but fun. And the gun is awesome
Posted on 4/25/24 at 8:41 am to The Levee
I have a question regarding ATF regulations
Let's suppose I currently have an AR rifle. And let's suppose I want to buy a 8.5" upper.
In order to use it on the same lower, it's my understanding I would need to go through the Form 1 process and have the lower engraved.
Are there any issues from that point going forward with swapping the uppers out and going back to a full length barrel on the registered lower?
Let's suppose I currently have an AR rifle. And let's suppose I want to buy a 8.5" upper.
In order to use it on the same lower, it's my understanding I would need to go through the Form 1 process and have the lower engraved.
Are there any issues from that point going forward with swapping the uppers out and going back to a full length barrel on the registered lower?
Posted on 4/25/24 at 9:11 am to LoneStarTiger
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Are there any issues from that point going forward with swapping the uppers out and going back to a full length barrel on the registered lower?
It's my understanding from researching that once it's registered as an SBR. you can put any upper you want on it. However you should send the ATF a notice that the lower will also be used for whatever the upper is. Not sure if that matters for non NFA uppers, but would cover you for any other uppers under 16". No stamp needed, just allows then to document possible configurations I guess.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 9:26 pm to cforester821
At $1800 I dont think its worth it for a first rifle....and I own one. 1500-1600 and I think its a great buy, which you can find at times if you're willing to wait.
Don't get me wrong, its a GREAT rifle. Very accurate out of the box, though a little gassy.
I have 2.5k rounds through mine (75% of those suppressed) and its been borderline abused....no issues, no failures.
Don't get me wrong, its a GREAT rifle. Very accurate out of the box, though a little gassy.
I have 2.5k rounds through mine (75% of those suppressed) and its been borderline abused....no issues, no failures.
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