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OB help me choose a fishing canoe or kayak
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:09 pm
Been debating getting a kayak for awhile, was pretty much gonna get the OB starter yak in the Ascend FS12T, but then I went on a short canoe trip last weekend. Was nice to be able to load the canoe down and we talked about doing some camping trips in them as well.
Mostly going to be used on east Tennessee and surrounding rivers/creeks/lakes for fly fishing, maybe some camping, mostly calm rivers. Kinda would like something that could handle class I-II rapids. Basically the Hiwassee, not looking to go after the Ocoee.
Kinda interested in the Old Town Next. What are ya'll thoughts? I am probably trying to buy one boat into a two boat kinda need...
Mostly going to be used on east Tennessee and surrounding rivers/creeks/lakes for fly fishing, maybe some camping, mostly calm rivers. Kinda would like something that could handle class I-II rapids. Basically the Hiwassee, not looking to go after the Ocoee.
Kinda interested in the Old Town Next. What are ya'll thoughts? I am probably trying to buy one boat into a two boat kinda need...
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 1:10 pm
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Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:11 pm to Dam Guide
Check out the KC Kayak. Its kinda the best of both worlds. Good luck in your pursuit.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:11 pm to Dam Guide
I have an Old Town predator. It's stable as hell, lots of storage space and accommodates a lot of add-ons if you want them. It's also heavy enough that it's tough to handle on my own without a kayak cart though.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:12 pm to Dam Guide
Native Ultimate
canoe/kayak hybrid
canoe/kayak hybrid
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:13 pm to Dam Guide
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Was nice to be able to load the canoe down
I mean, you're not going to be able to put as much stuff in a kayak as you are in a canoe. But with two people in kayaks you should be able to bring enough stuff to camp for a night or two. And if you go alone and have a single person tent I daresay you could fit it all in a single yak. Might have to strap the tent on top though.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:18 pm to Dam Guide
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Kinda interested in the Old Town Next. What are ya'll thoughts? I am probably trying to buy one boat into a two boat kinda need...
For what you described there are 3 boats I recommend:
Next - $1000 - This is much more of a canoe with a great seat than the other 2 and really isn't conducive to standing, but I have read and heard rave reviews on how it handles. If you don't care about standing to fish, this is what I would get.
Wilderness System's Commander 120 - $1000 - Open concept like the Next but more designed for fishing. Can definitely stand in it and it has the hi/lo seating option. Polar Pop has one of these and loves it. Won't handle as well as a Next, but it still is a very manageable craft for both small and big water.
Native Ultimate 12 - $1400 - The original canoe/kayak hybrid. Open design, super stable for standing and fishing and lightweight. Handles like a dream and is pretty much the standard when it comes to this kind of craft. Is it worth the extra $$$? That's your call but this would be my purchase.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:19 pm to Salmon
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Native Ultimate canoe/kayak hybrid
Yeah I meant to put that one too, very similar to the old town next.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:21 pm to gorillacoco
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I mean, you're not going to be able to put as much stuff in a kayak as you are in a canoe.
Not with a regular SOT kayak, but with one of the canoe/yak hybrids you can (like the ultimate or the commander).
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:24 pm to The Last Coco
Really appreciate the feedback, last coco. Good way to narrow it down.
Seen people standing in the next. I just don't think a lot of people have them yet. I know a place in GA that has a ton of wilderness boats, will have to go have a look.
Seen people standing in the next. I just don't think a lot of people have them yet. I know a place in GA that has a ton of wilderness boats, will have to go have a look.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:29 pm to Dam Guide
Don't underestimate what you can fit in the hull of a yak. I have had a 2 person tent, bedding, pillow and starter logs all in the hull of my Pescador with ice chests/fishing gear on top. Not as big as a canoe, but you can stuff a lot of gear in them.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:31 pm to Dam Guide
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:32 pm to Dam Guide
Look into nucanoe.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:35 pm to stamant70774
That's what I'm looking into. Almost had my mind made up on the new Pursuit, but now leaning towards Frontier. Open deck and stability are my main priorities. Will put a trolling motor on it, so I am leaning towards the Frontier since it is more stable.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:51 pm to Dam Guide
13ft gheenoe with a 9.9, frick paddling. There was one on sportsman last week, boat/motor/trailer for less than a hobie kayak.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 2:00 pm to Dam Guide
The wavewalk catamaran kayak seems interesting to me. Looks really stable and a ton of room for your gear. I plan on building my own version out of aluminum in the near future. I have it drawn up and nested on three 4x8 sheets I just have to find the time to build one. 
Posted on 8/3/15 at 2:40 pm to Dam Guide
As coco said, I have the WS Commander 120 and love it.
BUT if I were choosing between it and the Ultimate, I would probably take the Ultimate. The Commander has a tunnel hull, so the floor is not flat. It has 2 humps that run the length of the boat, leaving little foot space for standing up. The floor of the Ultimate is flat.
The seat in the Ultimate is quite a bit more comfortable also.
BUT if I were choosing between it and the Ultimate, I would probably take the Ultimate. The Commander has a tunnel hull, so the floor is not flat. It has 2 humps that run the length of the boat, leaving little foot space for standing up. The floor of the Ultimate is flat.
The seat in the Ultimate is quite a bit more comfortable also.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 3:29 pm to Dam Guide
I would definitely steer clear of the traditional canoes for fly fishing. I've been fly fishing (and canoeing/kayaking) all my life, and I just don't find a canoe a very good platform for it. They aren't very agile on the water and the added motion and line management issues inherent in fly fishing really make them kind of a pain in the arse to use from my experience. I don't think the added ability to haul more stuff in a traditional canoe makes up for the inherent drawback in them as a fly fishing platform.
The hybrids, on the other hand, look like they'd be fine.
The hybrids, on the other hand, look like they'd be fine.
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 8/3/15 at 4:56 pm to hogfly
Canoes are fine for fly fishing, especially up front in a tandem. Was pretty easy all day Saturday in a 16' Mohawk.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 5:11 pm to Dam Guide
Maybe it's because I'm usually on a swifter River, but I feel like a canoe blows past the fishing holes and is harder to maneuver into an eddy than a kayak. I can also pivot a kayak easier to get into the position where's I always feel like with a canoe I'm casting behind me and at an awkward angle. Just my experience though.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 6:58 pm to Dam Guide
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east Tennessee
Jackson Kayaks, it is the only answer.
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