re: Man has 103 box turtles seized by LW&F

The article said something about box turtles being endangered. Is that true?

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Box turtles, which can live for 120 years, are legally caught and peddled in this country. In Louisiana the state Department of Wildlife and Fisheries is waging a fierce lobbying blitz to get American box turtles removed from Appendix II of CITES (the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species, to which 144 nations are signatory) so they can be sold abroad as well. The Appendix II designation permits foreign trade only if there’s proof it won’t hurt wild populations. But there is no such proof, says John Behler, head of herpetology at the Bronx Zoo and chair of the Tortoise and Freshwater Turtle Specialist Group of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources. He calls Louisiana’s quest to redevelop the world market “harvest-till-they-drop management.”

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It's an archaic law in LA, really written to protect the trade of the turtles.

Red Eared Slider farmers probably lobbied the hell out of the legislature way back when and so another archaic LA law continues to be (blindly) enforced.


Chemist isn't trading them.

you can be a law as such for passed for some reason. there is always some joker out there that goes way overboard, then rules get applied to everyone.
i'm sure there is a good reason for this.

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I guarantee LDWF doesn't own me.

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America owns that arse boy. You pay to live here.

Mama owns that arse boy jk

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Take the blinders off. Regulations bias your judgement and logic.

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Be the smart guy that you think you are (and may be when you are better informed). Think about the single biggest factor influencing situations where there is a special permit for an action that is explicitly forbidden by law.

Think about it ...... there is another long-running, highly visible example just 15 miles west of the Mississippi River on I-10.

Open YOUR eyes. If you want to talk logic ..... you have to get the premise correct before you can reach the proper conclusion. Nobody I know at LDWF has the time to do things simply because they have the authority. I, for example, will NOT obtain the appropriate permits for LDWF to do nuisance Canada goose control because with "authority" comes "responsibility." Now why in the world would the Waterfowl Section of the state wildlife management agency ...... which according to posts in this thread: 1) needs to justify its existence, 2) pushes citizens around just because they can, and 3) wastes money on things the state can't afford ...... not accept responsibility for a species it clearly should be managing?

Simple, I don't want to be forced into conflicts between people who like Canada geese in their neighborhood and those who are tired of their mess and breeding season aggressiveness. It serves no conservation purpose, I have better things to do, and I have another group of people (USDA Wildlife Services) that I can "force" to address those issues. My colleagues don't have the same luxury with resident non-game wildlife.

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Now why in the world would the Waterfowl Section of the state wildlife management agency ...... which according to posts in this thread: 1) needs to justify its existence, 2) pushes citizens around just because they can, and 3) wastes money on things the state can't afford ...... not accept responsibility for a species it clearly should be managing?

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Can you expand on this re: the geese? I am confused a bit.

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I, for example, will NOT obtain the appropriate permits for LDWF to do nuisance Canada goose contro

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I've been wondering about this a lot recently. The lake in my neighborhood is now covered with canada geese.

A few mommas had chicks and now there are 40+ babies swimming around. Are all them babies going to stay at the lake or what?

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The asinine laws regarding box turtles (that are not endangered) are nothing but paper tigers. They are irrelevant, useless and ineffective at promoting conservation.

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Amen!

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The people who blindly enforce these regulations are just like the regulations themselves - irrelevant, useless and ineffective.

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Nothing is done "blindly", and a smart person would never say anything so stupid.

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I've been wondering about this a lot recently. The lake in my neighborhood is now covered with canada geese. A few mommas had chicks and now there are 40+ babies swimming around. Are all them babies going to stay at the lake or what?

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They will move to other habitats after they fledge, but will typically return to breed. Suburban Canada geese are a growing problem, and the single most common nuisance call the Waterfowl Section receives. Your neighborhood will almost certainly have to address a problem in the next few years.