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Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:10 am to shawnlsu
congrats on almost shooting a guy for what was probably an honest mistake
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:13 am to TigerDeacon
Good thing it wasn't an OBers truck.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 12:19 pm to Salmon
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Salmon
It may have been an honest mistake but I wasn't going to bet my life on it especially after I saw him. You may not value your life as much add I do mine but I'd rather find out that it was a mistake after protecting myself than find out it was a threat to my life after not
Posted on 7/1/14 at 12:29 pm to Salmon
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jumps in a beat up old black f250, I have a new white f150.
Yeah, you're probably right.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 12:47 pm to shawnlsu
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You may not value your life as much add I do mine but I'd rather find out that it was a mistake after protecting myself than find out it was a threat to my life after not
I value my life very much but I also value the life of others.
Pulling a gun on someone that was more than likely just making an honest mistake just seems incredibly reckless.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 12:50 pm to shawnlsu
Its terrible how lowly some people can be. A few weeks ago a lady friend of mine walked into her apt for a minute or two. Leaving her car unlocked. Comes outside to some black guy just sitting in her drivers side. After her asking him just what the frick he was doing he quickly ran into his car and left. I'm just glad that wasn't me in her shoes.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 1:03 pm to Salmon
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Pulling a gun on someone that was more than likely just making an honest mistake just seems incredibly reckless.
No, shooting someone without knowing for sure what's happening is incredibly reckless. Arming myself in a situation that for a few seconds looked like a crackhead trying to enter my vehicle was covering my arse especially since I couldn't see his hands or from his belly down.
Like I said, in a situation like that I always want the upper hand until I know that the threat is gone or a simple mistake was made.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 1:05 pm to shawnlsu
I've made that mistake before. Not saying you were wrong because I'm not that guy, but you already eluded to probably blasting him if he had gotten in.
It has nothing to do with valuing life. Avoiding the interstate would probably be a better exercise in self preservation than being slap happy with a .45
I'd rather let somebody steal my wallet than smoke them. I know I'm in the minority here though.
It has nothing to do with valuing life. Avoiding the interstate would probably be a better exercise in self preservation than being slap happy with a .45
I'd rather let somebody steal my wallet than smoke them. I know I'm in the minority here though.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 1:08 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I'd rather let somebody steal my wallet than smoke them. I know I'm in the minority here though.
I'm right there with you
Posted on 7/1/14 at 1:14 pm to Salmon
The problem is they dont always JUST take your wallet. Im not taking that chance.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 1:15 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I'd rather let somebody steal my wallet than smoke them.
How are they stealing it? If from my center console or where I've left it unattended? Sure.
If off my person or another person and/or by force?
Yeah, I'd rather smoke that person. Too much risk the other way - don't want him incentivized to continue his dangerous business practices.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 1:19 pm to Ace Midnight
Ehhhhh
Id have to feel like mine or someone else's life was in danger. Of course it's extremely event dependent, but I guy trying to get in my locked vehicle that he can't even get into anyway probably wouldn't instantly provoke me to get hands on iron.
It'd take a wholeeeeeeeeee lot to get me to draw down on somebody.
Id have to feel like mine or someone else's life was in danger. Of course it's extremely event dependent, but I guy trying to get in my locked vehicle that he can't even get into anyway probably wouldn't instantly provoke me to get hands on iron.
It'd take a wholeeeeeeeeee lot to get me to draw down on somebody.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 1:28 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I'd rather let somebody steal my wallet than smoke them
Of course. I never have more than a $100 or 2 anyway.
The problem is that you don't know if it would stop there. What if after he gets it, he decides , "frick it, no witnesses".
If your question is would I pay $200 not kill someone, the answer is clear.
I am unwilling to let him have the option of killing me, though.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 1:51 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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It'd take a wholeeeeeeeeee lot to get me to draw down on somebody.
The only time I've drawn a weapon in anger, in the United States, anyway, was on a road trip to Arabi. Going through the lower ninth ward, we were stopped in a long line of traffic. Mrs. Midnight was driving a rented Ford van, and I was the trail vehicle with a (then) three very young little Midnights in the backseat, 2 of whom in car seats.
2 unscrupulous-looking individuals were standing outside of an establishment - neither was apparently armed, 1 of them had neither shirt nor shoes on (so apparently, he is one of the people those signs are talking about). They took 2 steps towards the van - seeing Mrs. Midnight, apparently unaccompanied and oblivious to their presence.
Perhaps they were only going to say, "Hello" and introduce themselves - perhaps they were going to ask for a ride - in any event, had they pulled on the door handle or reached into the vehicle in any way, I would have blown them both to Mars.
In any event, traffic started moving and I simply smiled at them as I drove by, cautiously returning the weapon to safe.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:48 pm to Ace Midnight
The definition of appropriate armed protection is always a good topic.
I'm not the type to tell someone else they are wrong for their opinion and resulting actions as long as they are not forcefully applying that opinion to me or my actions.
That being said, I think the OP handled himself very well. Preparing to defend yourself or others with lethal force, especially when someone is invading your space unannounced is never a bad idea.
As far as possession protection, each person must find what they are comfortable with inside the laws of their state. I feel it certainly ok for me to protect my possessions by intervening when I see someone trying to steal. I think most here would intervene if they walked out of a store to find someone taking items out of the back of their truck. I would imagine everyone on this board would ask "WTF are you doing?" followed by "GTF out of my truck". It is at this point that a persons entire world could come unraveled though. What happens if the truck owner is un armed and the thief decides to escalate the confrontation physically instead of dropping items and running? What happens if the guys simply says "FU" and keeps right on rifling through your truck with you standing there? What happens if he stands up and pulls out a firearm?
Well I would imagine the answers to those questions change depending on the truck owners ability to defend themselves.
It is easy to say "I wouldn't waste someone over my wallet or a few dollars", implying that shootings involving petty theft are instigated purely from the theft. In reality, shootings involving attempted theft likely involve violence from the criminal after he is confronted and told to GTFO.
It is not nearly as black and white of a situation as some would like to believe.
I'm not the type to tell someone else they are wrong for their opinion and resulting actions as long as they are not forcefully applying that opinion to me or my actions.
That being said, I think the OP handled himself very well. Preparing to defend yourself or others with lethal force, especially when someone is invading your space unannounced is never a bad idea.
As far as possession protection, each person must find what they are comfortable with inside the laws of their state. I feel it certainly ok for me to protect my possessions by intervening when I see someone trying to steal. I think most here would intervene if they walked out of a store to find someone taking items out of the back of their truck. I would imagine everyone on this board would ask "WTF are you doing?" followed by "GTF out of my truck". It is at this point that a persons entire world could come unraveled though. What happens if the truck owner is un armed and the thief decides to escalate the confrontation physically instead of dropping items and running? What happens if the guys simply says "FU" and keeps right on rifling through your truck with you standing there? What happens if he stands up and pulls out a firearm?
Well I would imagine the answers to those questions change depending on the truck owners ability to defend themselves.
It is easy to say "I wouldn't waste someone over my wallet or a few dollars", implying that shootings involving petty theft are instigated purely from the theft. In reality, shootings involving attempted theft likely involve violence from the criminal after he is confronted and told to GTFO.
It is not nearly as black and white of a situation as some would like to believe.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 4:18 pm to shawnlsu
Glad you or your family wasn't hurt. I always keep the door closed but not latched while at the pump, my .45 is on the console in easy reach just in case.You never know what them crazy SOB's will do.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 5:10 pm to shawnlsu
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straggly looking obvious druggie
Dude, you can't whip that arse with your bare fists and feet? Seems better than going thru all the legal process explaining why you shot some unarmed thief.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 6:06 pm to Mung
I don't recall the OP saying that he was sure, or was even semi-confident, that the offending party was unarmed.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 6:23 pm to Mung
Having the dude run away after an appropriate show of force that was backed by the ability to become lethal if needed sounds a lot better than entering a physical altercation with someone who may have Hep C, HIV, a weapon, or at any time may gain the upper hand and use the hangun present to inflict damage.
The act of unholstering your gun and protecting yourself against an unarmed and potentially violent person has ZERO legal hassels when that person decides violence is not smart and leaves and no shots are fired.
If the presence of the firearm does not deter physical violence and the person physically assaults the gun owner or presents a weapon and threatens assault and a shot is fired the legal hassle is not the same as "you shot an unarmed man stealing your stuff"
The act of unholstering your gun and protecting yourself against an unarmed and potentially violent person has ZERO legal hassels when that person decides violence is not smart and leaves and no shots are fired.
If the presence of the firearm does not deter physical violence and the person physically assaults the gun owner or presents a weapon and threatens assault and a shot is fired the legal hassle is not the same as "you shot an unarmed man stealing your stuff"
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 1:41 pm
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