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Inside the Waistband (IWB) Holsters -- Features to Avoid

Posted on 3/2/16 at 10:33 am
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 10:33 am
I know a lot of folks on this board like IWB holsters. I recently received this essay (I didn't write it !!) about features to avoid when picking an IWB holster.

I figured it might be of interest to some of you -- even those who may argue with some of the author's comments. (FWIW the author, Greg Ellifritz, is a pretty well known, highly respected trainer).

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While perusing the newest firearms and gear introduced at the SHOT Show last week, I came across the new Fobus inside the waistband (IWB) holster. I have to admit that I’ve never been a Fobus fan. In fact, I think they are some of the worst holsters on the market.

My Fobus hate started when I purchased the newly-introduced Glock 30 .45 acp pistol. It was the mid- 1990s and buying holsters online wasn’t as easy as it is today. When a consumer bought a gun, he had to choose a holster that was in stock at the local gun store. When I bought my new Glock 30, the only holster available was a Fobus paddle holster. I bought the Fobus and began carrying my new Glock in it as my primary off duty gun.

A couple months later, I attended a shooting class put on by John Farnam. Towards the end of the second day, we were shooting quite rapidly. My gun got hot. I holstered up after a drill. When I tried to draw again, the gun wouldn’t come out of my holster. The hot slide had actually melted the plastic holster to the gun! The holster was ruined and I vowed never to carry another Fobus brand holster.

My disgust with Fobuses (Fobi?) intensified when I started teaching weapon retention and close quarters shooting classes. When I would conduct force on force training drills with my students, I would purposely try to disarm them. Fobus holsters never stood up to my disarming attempts. One yank downward on the grip of the gun would cause the holster to separate from the paddle. I’d tug and get my student’s entire gun and holster with minimal effort. Watch the 20-second video below for an illustration of what I am talking about. You can see why I don’t recommend Fobus products.

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When I saw the newly-introduced Fobus IWB holster, I commented to my friends that it was the worst designed IWB holster that I have ever seen. It looks like they purposely designed the holster to be a complete failure. That statement led to a discussion about what qualities one should avoid when looking at an IWB holster. I realized that a lot of folks just don’t have the knowledge base to decide what makes a good IWB holster and what features to avoid. The following features are what you want to look for and which you want to avoid when looking to purchase an IWB holster…

1) Ride height – One of the most important features that determines comfort in an IWB holster is ride height…how deeply the gun is carried in the waistband. A very low ride height makes for great concealment, but can be uncomfortable and makes for a fumbling draw. A gun that rides too high will be more obvious and isn’t as stable when carried.

In general, the gun should ride at the minimal height that allows a proper shooting grip on the gun when in the holster. If you can’t get your hand positioned correctly on your gun in the holster, you will have to adjust your grip after the draw. That is slow and provides an opportunity for dropping the gun on presentation. Look at the picture of the Fobus holster. Specifically, look where the belt will be relative to the grip of the gun. See how it rides too low? The belt will interfere with getting the proper grip on the gun during the drawstroke.

2) Construction - The Fobus is an example of a “hybrid” IWB holster. Hybrid holsters consist of a leather or nylon piece that is closest to the body and a polymer holster body on the outside. The soft leather makes for comfortable carry, but I haven’t seen my students have any long term success with any model of hybrid holster. What tends to happen over time is that the leather backing loses its stiffness. That makes the holster less rigid and interferes with reholstering. You will see students with floppy-backed hybrid holsters using the gun muzzle to push the leather away from the body of the holster when reholstering. They almost always point the muzzle directly at their side when doing so.. It’s a recipe for disaster.

Hybrid holsters are popular and I’m sure I’ll get some heat for saying so, but they all suck. They are dangerous and should be avoided.

3) Material around the trigger guard - Look at all the extra material that covers the area where the gun grip meets the frame. Remember point one about ride height; we want to get a proper grip on the gun while it is still in the holster. All that extra material prevents that from happening. That will ensure that the gun is not gripped high enough to reduce muzzle flip while shooting. The extra material makes it so that the shooter must either accept an improper grip or adjust the gun before shooting. That’s another feature that is a deal breaker. Fumbling with your gun while someone is shooting at you won’t help your life expectancy.

4) Sweat shields - The sweat shield is the upward extension of the holster’s backing piece. Its purpose is to keep the gun’s slide from rubbing directly on the skin. Although I don’t like them, a small sweat shield usually causes increased comfort when carrying and doesn’t interfere with the draw. The Fobus sweat shield is way too high. The extra material isn’t needed and can interfere with thumb positioning during the drawstroke. Even more importantly, over time the sweat shield will lose rigidity and start to “flop” down over the top of the gun. The floppy sweat shield will prevent getting a proper firing grip on the weapon and will make reholstering much more difficult.

5) Belt attachments - I’m not a big fan of clips that attach the holster to the belt. I generally prefer loops that wrap completely around the belt. Most manufacturers make crappy clips that don’t secure the holster at all. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen one of my students try to draw, only to pull the holster out of his pants along with the gun. That’s unacceptable. Although there are some clips that work well (the Alessi Talon Clips and those made on Spencer Keepers’ custom holsters), most are inadequate. I haven’t played with the Fobus holster clips, but I’m betting they will be in the latter category.

Over the years I’ve tried carrying a lot of guns in a lot of different holsters. I’ve come to realize that most holsters on the market today aren’t very well designed. It’s worth your time and money to purchase one that works. Don’t settle for trash because of a low price point or urban legends about Israeli counter-terrorists using a specific brand. Be smart. If you can’t get a full firing grip on your pistol while it’s holstered, dump the holster. Likewise if the holster isn’t comfortable or doesn’t stay attached to your belt during the drawstroke. Life is too short. It will be even shorter if you get killed because you can’t draw your gun from a worthless holster.



This is not my $.02 worth -- I'm just passing it along.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89552 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 10:36 am to
Honestly, I have Fobus paddles for all my pistols - simply to provide a "good enough" holster to transport pistols in soft bags, general range use, etc.

I can't say I would use Fobus holsters for any other purpose, unless I had no other choice.

For IWB, I think Crossbreed and Comp-tac get my business, unless I fall in love with some other maker. They just do "that" kind of holster better than other makers, IMHO.
Posted by Chris4x4gill2
North Alabama
Member since Nov 2008
3092 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 10:42 am to
I'm not a fan of Fobus holsters either. I have one that I quickly got fed up with. I use it for the range only now, if that. That video of disarming one is eye opening though.

For IWB I really like my Crossbreed.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38822 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 10:45 am to
great post

i have to carry IWB due to my job, so ive been stumbling around trying to find one i like. just bought a new G43 yesterday and i grabbed a cheap desantis sof-tuck because thats all they had at the store, just to have something whil i look around

any recommendations?
i wear loose work/duty pants and a belt everyday, shirt tucked in
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89552 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 10:50 am to
quote:

any recommendations? i wear loose work/duty pants and a belt everyday, shirt tucked in


Crossbreed Supertuck and Comp-tac Minotaur (MTAC). Impossible to go wrong with either of those.
This post was edited on 3/2/16 at 10:56 am
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38822 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 11:02 am to
crossbreed has supertuck and minituck
go with minituck for the smaller pistol?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89552 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 11:12 am to
quote:

crossbreed has supertuck and minituck go with minituck for the smaller pistol?


I don't have any experience with the minituck. If your pistol is listed under the Supertuck, I would consider that one first, if you're leaning that way.

What I like about the Comp-tac Minotaur (MTAC) - is that you can get the holster set up and drop $25 for a spare body to fit another pistol. So, while a Supertuck is cheaper for a single set up, the MTAC has the potential to be more flexible over time. It is largely subjective, but some folks prefer Crossbreed to Comp-tac on comfort, while other reviews go the other way.

Personally, I don't have a strong preference either way. I have worn both, but I have also carried concealed all kinds of ways over the years - most commonly in a off-brand slide holster in the small of the back. Not ideal, but I never had to draw in anger from that configuration, either.

I can't recommend the Minituck - only because I have no experience with it. It is $2 cheaper - I wouldn't necessarily pick it over their Supertuck flagship, unless you're smaller than average or just value the reduced profile of the leather portion of the holster setup. Keep in mind, that will likely affect comfort.

Carry safely.


ETA: Now that I look at it, Minituck might be better, overall, if you're going shirt tucked most of the time, if you have a smaller gun they make it for. I would compare some reviews of that configuration before deviating from the tried and true Supertuck.
This post was edited on 3/2/16 at 11:16 am
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80781 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 1:16 pm to
I have never found a IWB holster that fits by body type/clothing. It always looks like I have a 3 inch appendage poking out of my 4/5 oclock.

IWBs aren't really slim guy/clothing friendly
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13587 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 1:29 pm to
Am I missing something? The Fobus video linked is not of an IWB holster. It's clearly riding on the outside of his waistband.
Posted by boatless2
Member since Mar 2015
612 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 1:41 pm to
If you want to carry appendix, Trexarms is the way to go, it's called the sidecar on his website

LINK
This post was edited on 3/2/16 at 1:45 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89552 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:01 pm to
quote:

Am I missing something? The Fobus video linked is not of an IWB holster. It's clearly riding on the outside of his waistband.


It is a disconnect. The quoted article starts out by slamming Fobus, generally. The video illustrates problems with the commonly available paddles from them. Then, he goes on to describe specific problems with the design of the IWB, but the video doesn't appear to address that part of the article.

Overall article is "Fobus Bad." While I both own some of their products and generally agree, it is not clearly, logically connected in the original article, either.
Posted by MSWebfoot
Hernando
Member since Oct 2011
3263 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 3:32 pm to
Take a look at Alien Gear as well. The plastics are interchangable and only run about $15. I got the Cloak tuck 3.0 and an OWB holster for my xd, shipped to the house for $70. I carry the shield.
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 6:46 pm to
No, you're not "missing" anything. But it is a Fobus holster in the video.

Yeager was semi-famous for doing this in his classes for years. He'd ask if anyone had a Fobus, then he'd proceed to do exactly what you saw in the video. It was a visual teaching aid that apparently made quite an impression on students (Never saw this personally in the classes I took).

Then he'd give the student a new holster (brands that were handed out varied over the years).
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134865 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 7:16 pm to
I've been wearing a Q series minimalist holster for a couple weeks now. I like it much more than my alien gear.
Posted by tigamike
Member since Jun 2005
5114 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 9:28 pm to
I really like my Sticky Holster. Small, lightweight, comfortable and no belt loops or clips or anything to deal with like that. Can adjust ride height. I've had no issues with its stability or performance
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
18285 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 9:33 pm to
Try N82 tactical. I have the original tuckable. It's the most comfortable holster I own by far.
Posted by igchris
Madisonville
Member since May 2015
504 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 10:24 pm to
quote:

If you want to carry appendix, Trexarms is the way to go, it's called the sidecar on his website


Wearing his holster is like wearing a WWF world champion belt. I didn't care for it.

I went back to my Off the grid concepts appendix.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134865 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 7:56 am to
quote:

Wearing his holster is like wearing a WWF world champion belt. I didn't care for it.


I don't know. Sounds pretty bad arse to me.
Posted by ThatsAFactJack
East Coast
Member since Sep 2012
1542 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 10:04 am to
I am looking for a good IWB also. Taking my CCW class March 19th.

I wear slacks with dress shirt or polo shirt every day for work. Shirt tucked in.

Any Suggestion? I will be carrying a SW M&P 9 Shield.
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
18285 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:44 am to
LINK

quote:

I wear slacks with dress shirt or polo shirt every day for work. Shirt tucked in.


I carry my glock 43 in a N82 tactical tuckable. I wear slacks and dress shirt everyday as well. I have tried all sorts of holsters and this one is by far the best for me.
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