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re: Going to an indoor range tonight. Tips?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:50 pm to cdaniel76
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:50 pm to cdaniel76
All of the above plus trigger control. Pad of the trigger finger on the trigger and directly back, almost as if the knuckle in your trigger finger is moving to your right. If you hook the trigger, you will pull the muzzle down and low left. Also, be aware of where the trigger re-sets.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 4:52 pm
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:02 pm to cdaniel76
Good to know. I've been covering the target up.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:05 pm to Gaston
Forget the range. Start in your garage with the Pencil Drill.
1. Tape up on a wall, a sheet of paper with a dot about the size of a BB.
2. Insert a sharpened pencil into the barrel of the pistol, eraser end pushed all the way inside the barrel
3. Manually cock the hammer.
4. Acquires a sight picture using the small dot as the bull's eye, but with the end of the pistol only 1 to 3 inches from the piece of paper.
5. Dry fire the pistol. The pencil comes out of the barrel and punches a small little hole under the "bulls eye."
Repeat steps 2 through 5.
The goal is to have a tight group of small pencil marks (or holes) directly under the bulls eye.
Remember BRASS
Breathe
Relax
Aim
Sight Picture
Slow steady squeeze
(you're only doing it correctly if the dropping of the hammer surprises you).
=====================
Next Step = Go to range
Look up ball and dummy drill. Get a training partner (or snap caps) and do it until you no longer flinch.
Again, remember BRASS
You're only doing it correctly if the BANG surprises you.
Start at 3 yard line. Don't be embarrassed. Just do it and be methodical with slowly building up. Distance.
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DO NOT DEATH GRIP THE PISTOL AS A BEGINNER
If anything, do a loose grip (this is strictly an interim learning technique for beginners who can't hit paper).
Pressure only on the front and back of the grip...nothing on the sides. Only use the index finger of the left hand to help support the weight of the pistol. This will prove to you that the pistol does shoot straight.
Then you can start experimenting with a firmer grip.
Remember, your goal is NOT to hit a bulls-eye. Your goal is to get a group. However you fire/grip/etc., do it the exact same way every time so that you get a group.
Once you start getting a group, THEN diagnostics can be applied to bring that group to center mass.
=====================
Always use ear muffs at an indoor range. Earplugs may seem sufficient, you're unknowingly damaging your hammer/anvil/stirrup part of your ear. That's not the case with outdoor ranges.
1. Tape up on a wall, a sheet of paper with a dot about the size of a BB.
2. Insert a sharpened pencil into the barrel of the pistol, eraser end pushed all the way inside the barrel
3. Manually cock the hammer.
4. Acquires a sight picture using the small dot as the bull's eye, but with the end of the pistol only 1 to 3 inches from the piece of paper.
5. Dry fire the pistol. The pencil comes out of the barrel and punches a small little hole under the "bulls eye."
Repeat steps 2 through 5.
The goal is to have a tight group of small pencil marks (or holes) directly under the bulls eye.
Remember BRASS
Breathe
Relax
Aim
Sight Picture
Slow steady squeeze
(you're only doing it correctly if the dropping of the hammer surprises you).
=====================
Next Step = Go to range
Look up ball and dummy drill. Get a training partner (or snap caps) and do it until you no longer flinch.
Again, remember BRASS
You're only doing it correctly if the BANG surprises you.
Start at 3 yard line. Don't be embarrassed. Just do it and be methodical with slowly building up. Distance.
=====================
DO NOT DEATH GRIP THE PISTOL AS A BEGINNER
If anything, do a loose grip (this is strictly an interim learning technique for beginners who can't hit paper).
Pressure only on the front and back of the grip...nothing on the sides. Only use the index finger of the left hand to help support the weight of the pistol. This will prove to you that the pistol does shoot straight.
Then you can start experimenting with a firmer grip.
Remember, your goal is NOT to hit a bulls-eye. Your goal is to get a group. However you fire/grip/etc., do it the exact same way every time so that you get a group.
Once you start getting a group, THEN diagnostics can be applied to bring that group to center mass.
=====================
Always use ear muffs at an indoor range. Earplugs may seem sufficient, you're unknowingly damaging your hammer/anvil/stirrup part of your ear. That's not the case with outdoor ranges.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:09 pm to CoastieGM
Thanks.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:21 pm to cdaniel76
quote:
You're supposed to use what's called the "6 o'clock site alignment" which puts your front site just under the bottom edge of the Bullseye.
Wrong!
That will result in an impact below the center of the target.
The sight alignment in that diagram is correct, but the sight picture is too low. The FSP should bisect the target both horizontally and vertically.
Also, Gaston, remember to focus on your FSP. It should appear clear and as a result, your target will appear slightly burry.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:55 pm to WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
Judge
Point
Shoot
Boss!
Point
Shoot
Boss!
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:32 pm to cdaniel76
quote:
cdaniel76
winner, winner, chicken dinner. i'm suprised bapple didn't nail this one earlier.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:35 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:
Your eyes need to focus on your front sight. The target should be blurry and you should be honed in on the front sight.
That has got to be the worst advice (even if a joke) that I have ever heard.
Same as saying, don't worry about what you are shooting at, just make sure the sights are lined up.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:55 pm to shawnlsu
I didn't get to shoot, got turned around at the base of the bridge. The Pass-BSL bridge is closed due to ice. If I would have gone over there right before it closed that would have been nuts. That would have been a long arse way around if it would have even been possible to make it home.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:31 pm to shawnlsu
You're kidding right?
This is one of the fundamentals of marksmanship.
Why do you think I restated the same advice in my post? Because it's that important.
You should clearly see your FSP superimposed over a "fuzzy" target.
If you don't practice this, it is highly likely that you are a very poor shot.
Tell me, where did you learn to shoot?
This is one of the fundamentals of marksmanship.
Why do you think I restated the same advice in my post? Because it's that important.
You should clearly see your FSP superimposed over a "fuzzy" target.
If you don't practice this, it is highly likely that you are a very poor shot.
Tell me, where did you learn to shoot?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:37 pm to WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
quote:
Wrong! That will result in an impact below the center of the target.
Not entirely true depends if the gun is designed for a 6 o'clock hold or a POA/POI hold. I'm not sure which the p2000 is designed for.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:49 pm to chrisman17
The post I replied to said
I am not familiar with the HK model that the OP owns, so I don't know if it is factory zeroed for POA-POI or a low hold.
The majority of handguns are POA-POI, so a "6 0'clock" hold with them will result in impacts below the center of the target.
quote:.
When pistol shooting
I am not familiar with the HK model that the OP owns, so I don't know if it is factory zeroed for POA-POI or a low hold.
The majority of handguns are POA-POI, so a "6 0'clock" hold with them will result in impacts below the center of the target.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 9:27 pm to WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
Target shooting, have a good stance. Defensive shooting, point and shoot.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:19 pm to shawnlsu
quote:
That has got to be the worst advice (even if a joke) that I have ever heard.
Same as saying, don't worry about what you are shooting at, just make sure the sights are lined up.
Actually that's dead-on balls accurate information for target shooting.
There are other approaches for close rang combat shooting, but the above is a classic and the most accurate target technique there is.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 12:22 am to Gaston
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This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 11:59 am
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:59 am to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:
Your eyes need to focus on your front sight. The target should be blurry and you should be honed in on the front sight.
bingo...also your front sight should not cover the target...it should be a female pube below what you plan to aim at...
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 10:06 am
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:16 am to Pepperidge
I've read that HKs sight picture is dead on hold.
IDK what to think. Makes sense, but I think I'd rather center mass hold.
IDK what to think. Makes sense, but I think I'd rather center mass hold.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:50 am to Lefty Diego
Say Lefty,
you did read the OP right?
He was going to an indoor range.
Maybe he was going to a gunfight as well, I don't know.
you did read the OP right?
He was going to an indoor range.
Maybe he was going to a gunfight as well, I don't know.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 4:12 pm to Gaston
Gaston:
I don't know where you live, but I'm sure there's a handgun instructor within a reasonable driving distance.
There's not gonna be some miraculous post that solves your problem(s). Going to an internet forum for diagnostics and a prescription for improved shooting is unlikely to do more than cause you confusion or cause you more troubles.
For what you're spending on ammo that is missing the target, you could pay for a lesson. One lesson should be all that's needed.
You can also get some solid advice (to help you after your lesson) from this book:
LINK
I don't know where you live, but I'm sure there's a handgun instructor within a reasonable driving distance.
There's not gonna be some miraculous post that solves your problem(s). Going to an internet forum for diagnostics and a prescription for improved shooting is unlikely to do more than cause you confusion or cause you more troubles.
For what you're spending on ammo that is missing the target, you could pay for a lesson. One lesson should be all that's needed.
You can also get some solid advice (to help you after your lesson) from this book:
LINK
Posted on 1/25/14 at 4:32 pm to Pepperidge
This should also help...
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