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re: Getting into the cattle business

Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:03 pm to
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38735 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

buy high

sell when you have to


The amount of poo poo in the pasture will tell you.

I got pretty lucky. I bought my first couple of longhorn cows for $375 and $400 a head. Now they are bringing near $1/lbs. That's $1000 longhorn cows at the salebarn, which is wholesale. Unheard of...

Some of these black cows are bringing closer to $1.50/lbs. or higher. Which by my calculations is unbelievable.

The past few years have been pretty dry in cattle country and a lot of people sold out. Now they are clamoring for them...

I read an article that said US cow populations were at a 50 year low. There are fewer cows now than there were in the 1960's and a lot more people.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19598 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:10 pm to
Yea the prices are ridiculous right now, diff not a buyers market. Hopefully it drops down some by the time I am ready to get my feet wet.
Posted by angus1838
Southeast Alabama
Member since Jan 2012
923 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:07 pm to
I think one of the best options right now is to buy young heifers and raise them to breeding age. You can buy small heifers cheaper than steers (400 to 600 pounds). Raise them to around 900 pounds breed them, and hang on for about 6 months after breeding, and sell as bred replacements. That is kind of what I am doing right now with some. Input costs averaged about 725 per head but bred replacements were bringing around 1400 at the sales here monday and tuesday. The market right now is in uncharted territory and with the populations being low, replacement cattle will be in high demand.

Posted by HuntFishMan
Member since Feb 2014
304 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:19 pm to
I like the idea, What breed are we talking about and where do I get them from?
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38735 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:21 pm to
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where do I get them from?


Where are you out of? Where is the property?

Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38735 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:26 pm to
I have 5 of these running with my longhorns right now. I plan on selling them as bred heifers this summer. Buyers don't know what they are bred to...

I can get these around that $725 mark all day... fresh off a farm.

Posted by BigNickGuy
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2014
87 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:31 pm to
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I raise and sell registered Texas Longhorns
How much does a normal bull go for?
Posted by hardhead
stinky bayou
Member since Jun 2009
5745 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:35 pm to
All this talk about cows...

I'll bet tclay is whipping it like it stole something


On the other hand, have you thought about sheep? Lambs are really fetching good money right now.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38735 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:36 pm to
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How much does a normal bull go for?


What's normal? Decent pedigree, good color, nice confirmation, and avg. horn growth?

A 2 year old bull ready to breed cows, with papers should bring about $1000.

If he is out of top notch stock recognized in the industry as such... much more, like $3000 or higher.

But you can get a quality bull for a thousand dollars.
Posted by BigNickGuy
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2014
87 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:45 pm to
I think that owning longhorns would be badass, Hopefully I would get to do it one day
Posted by angus1838
Southeast Alabama
Member since Jan 2012
923 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:49 pm to
I buy from the stockyards close to here some said earlier in the thread about bacteria and disease but I vaccinate right out of the trailer and feed medicated feed for the first month. As long as you don't introduce them into the herd without a what I would call a quarantine period you will be fine. I tend to go with what buyers want which is black and not too much ear drop. A little brangus is good but too much and they will cut you at the sale. I am sure though that some breeders around where you live will sell off the farm just call them.
Tclayboy I used to hate longhorns but my son wants to get into breeding them. He has bought 4 now and the steps they have made in their breeding is impressive. Do you breed butler or a blend?
Posted by mack the knife
EBR
Member since Oct 2012
4185 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:03 pm to
what if you have 60 acres available to fool with and know ZERO about cows?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:05 pm to
do you have one million dollars?
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38735 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

Do you breed butler or a blend?


Blend, I only have one straight butler cow.

quote:

the steps they have made in their breeding is impressive


It's from blending. The 7 original families (Butler, Peeler, Yates, Marks, Phillips, Wright, and WR or Wildlife Refuge) were basically the last 7 remaining herds when they decided to do an association and register them. People first kept the lines pure, and blend was kind of frowned upon. That led to inbreeding though.

They found the blending of the families led to it's own hybrid vigor. Now they have bulls weighing over a ton with 80" horn spreads.

One of which is a bull named Clear Win pictured below. I'm running one of his sons on my cows...

Posted by angus1838
Southeast Alabama
Member since Jan 2012
923 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:17 pm to
He is breeding 2 of his heifers off a son of this guy


I was used to the apple bottomed longhorns but when we started looking around i was like damn they got the build of an angus with some big damn horns
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38735 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:19 pm to
Drag Iron. Awesome bull. Same guy owns both Clear Win and Drag Iron.

Funny thing, he's not even in Texas. They live in Ohio.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 2:20 pm
Posted by angus1838
Southeast Alabama
Member since Jan 2012
923 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:24 pm to
Yeah the son I am refering to is on lease to a guy in the panhandle of florida. It looks almost identical except that it has a little more color.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38735 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:31 pm to
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a guy in the panhandle of florida.


Is he from Gainsville?

quote:

almost identical except that it has a little more color.


Damn, I'd like to see him. Drag Iron has some of the finest color of any longhorn bull I've ever seen.

That's the cool thing about longhorns, you never know what you are going to get.

Clear Win is mostly white, but here is a picture of his son I have from when he was a yearling...



The market likes black... I like black.
Posted by angus1838
Southeast Alabama
Member since Jan 2012
923 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:47 pm to
No its westville. My son is goin to a sale with him saturday I will tell him to take a pic of him. My boy is buying half interst in a bull from the same guy. When he gets home I will post the parents and see what you think about it if you don't mind cause I know absolutly nothing about them
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38735 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:52 pm to
No problem. I'm not the expert, but I know what I like.

I just enjoy looking at any of them...
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