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re: Gating canals in houma area

Posted on 1/24/16 at 4:06 pm to
Posted by maisweh
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 4:06 pm to
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All the canals I fished as a kid in larose are now gated off


Delta farms? If so, that was always a mo go
Posted by Capt ST
Hotel California
Member since Aug 2011
12836 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 5:26 pm to
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Without tax payer support the marsh will not exist in a couple of years anyway.


A couple years and it's all gone? Well then you can simply ride around the gates.
Posted by Elusiveporpi
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 5:34 pm to
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Delta farms


I fished this when the gates blew down about 10 yrs ago. Best bass trip of my life. All 4+ lbs fish.

I just don't get how large navigable canals can be roped off. That's like owning both sides of a road, so you block the road off so ppl can't drive through.
Posted by Floating Change Up
Member since Dec 2013
11856 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 5:52 pm to
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I looked at the offlimit area for the Children's Hospital tourney to be held in March out of Stevensville. Because of the controversy they have made all of Bayou Black off limits. Basically anything south of Intercoastal is a no


I'm don't care what side of this argument you are on... But if you don't recognize the sad state the direction is going then you have confused priorities.

There shouldn't be a lock on the most beautiful place on earth.
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 5:55 pm to
They can be gated because they are man made, and rightfully so. The issue is those canals are one of the biggest contributing factors to land loss in the marsh. They very well may be private canals but they straight fricked over everyone to build them.

It's obvious they lacked the foresight to know what kind of damage would be caused but why should the tax payers foot the bill for other peoples mistakes?

Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 6:37 pm to
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The unique law that is considering this to be trespassing is logic challenged.
There is nothing unique about private property.
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 6:42 pm to
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There is nothing unique about private property.



Are we not the only state out of 50 that allows for private ownership of tidal marsh?
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
1637 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:44 pm to
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There is nothing unique about private property.



While technically correct, that statement has nothing to do with the matter at hand. The issue is Louisiana's choice to be unique in its designation of certain areas to be private "land" when in fact they are underwater 100% of the time.
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 7:50 pm
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81636 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:55 pm to
This thread is about canals capable of being gated.
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
1637 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 8:15 pm to
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thread is about canals capable of being gated.


True, and in Houma.

Are there any areas similar to Houma in other states that putting up gates in tidal marsh is ok by state law?
Posted by OGhunter777
Member since Mar 2012
785 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 8:22 pm to
Even though I have had lots of issues with bass fisherman running through my marsh on several occasions and people frogging my property ALL the time - I think it would be a terrible mistake to gate off these areas. Sickening how greedy people are.
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 8:32 pm to
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This thread is about canals capable of being gated.


True but the canals in questions should have never been private in the first place. I have zero issue with the state leasing marsh to oil and gas but not if it will restrict access to the public that is funding said marsh.

I wish more people would ignore posted signs. Clog the courts with criminal trespass cases so much so that it becomes national news. It's retarded.
Posted by Elusiveporpi
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 8:35 pm to
And I would like to thank you for letting me frog on your land. Those bayou black ponds are amazing.. I do always stay out during and around duck season. Or when I see another boat I will turn my light of and leave, only so I don't scare any frogs on the way out.
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 8:36 pm
Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 8:47 pm to
I own and manage family farmland which some land is marsh in Louisiana and SE Texas.

Texas the permit process to dig a canal is harder and I don't think you can gate canals last time I looked.

Biggest problem I see is illegal canals being dug through ditches and smaller natural bayous without permits. I had a landowner next to us have a leasee dig a canal off a main bayou which the canal cut through my property, dug into a curve in a natural small bayou which one side state property other side my property, and then curve the canal back on the land they lease for people to get to the duck blinds in the marsh.

These pricks even put a gate on the part of the canal which is my property.
I had to go to court which cost money to get the landowner next to me to fix the damages they did to my property.

Goal for the land is to give a buffer between my farmland and marsh during a storm or period of high South winds.

In Texas they would have never been able to pull this stunt.
In Louisiana they not only pulled it they tried to claim they had a right to dig a canal on my property to get to their lease when they actually could have state road access to their lease.

Yes, I have pricks in the Orvis Clothes down to the hat stopping by wanting to show me how I can lease my land to them for pennies on the dollar for them to release it to duck guide services.
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 9:01 pm
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
1637 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 9:02 pm to
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dig a canal off a main bayou which the canal cut through my property, dug into a curve in a natural small bayou which one side state property other side my property, and then curve the canal back on the land they lease for people to get to the duck blinds in the marsh. 



That is interesting. LDNR and ACOE should have been involved if it was in a coastal zone. Doing any land movement in a coastal zone is an extensive permit process and doing it without a permit will get you in a bit of a pickle.
Posted by maisweh
Member since Jan 2014
4066 posts
Posted on 1/25/16 at 6:24 am to
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I fished this when the gates blew down about 10 yrs ago. Best bass trip of my life. All 4+ lbs fish. I just don't get how large navigable canals can be roped off. That's like owning both sides of a road, so you block the road off so ppl can't drive through


because that was all farmland that flooded when the levee blew out. we used to fish that every afternoon in high school, the pump station by the levee was full of sacalaitwhiteperchcrappie

Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30556 posts
Posted on 1/25/16 at 7:41 am to
I know of one new area being gated before next duck season to keep a certain bow fishing operation out of private marsh at night.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81636 posts
Posted on 1/25/16 at 8:45 am to
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True, and in Houma.

Are there any areas similar to Houma in other states that putting up gates in tidal marsh is ok by state law?


I don't know why some of you want to strawman this up. A canal is a canal is a canal. It wasn't navigable in 1812. Water doesn't magically turn private property into public. Just because you can get to it by your boat doesn't make it any different than farmer Brown's tank pond or river clubs flooded by river water.
Posted by AboveGroundPool
the basin
Member since Aug 2010
3770 posts
Posted on 1/25/16 at 9:07 am to
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I don't know why some of you want to strawman this up. A canal is a canal is a canal. It wasn't navigable in 1812. Water doesn't magically turn private property into public. Just because you can get to it by your boat doesn't make it any different than farmer Brown's tank pond or river clubs flooded by river water.




Are you familiar with the Public Trust Doctrine which louisiana chooses not to follow?
Posted by AboveGroundPool
the basin
Member since Aug 2010
3770 posts
Posted on 1/25/16 at 9:18 am to
a long time ago some supreme court judge ruled that states could interpret the public trust doctrine...which basically gave our gov the right to do what they wanted. Large amounts of money changed hands during all of this. They then told us we had to go back to nonsensical maps from 1807 to challenge them.
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