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re: Doves & Goat Weed Question (Now w/ Baiting Debate)

Posted on 8/8/16 at 3:43 pm to
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 3:43 pm to
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Even if you put it out now but nothing else?

Putting it out now does nothing.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

Putting it out now does nothing.


Another way of explaining it is, in the old days, you could scatter cracked corn all late summer, disk it under about 2 weeks before the season, and go hunt the field.

As I understand it, the law allows the same practice in theory, but the seed you scatter and disk must come from something you planted 90-120 days ago.

The idea is the same, but you have to put a little more work into it on the front end to make sure you have seed to scatter. This keeps every "Dove Dynasty" type guy from just scattering seed a few weeks before the season and baiting in doves with minimal effort.

ETA: The new method is basically "legal baiting".
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 3:53 pm
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 3:55 pm to
You have to have farm equipment to bait...
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 3:55 pm to
gotcha.

Screw it, do it anyway...

Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

You have to have farm equipment to bait...


Good point of discussion.

I planted a 200 yard strip of milo along the fence line of our hay pasture. Am I allowed to bush hog it when the time is right?

Or since I don't have a "milo farm" am I only allowed to hunt it left standing as is?
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

I planted a 200 yard strip of milo along the fence line of our hay pasture. Am I allowed to bush hog it when the time is right?



Yes. Bushhog, burn, disk, run thru with your arms out spinning in circles, destroy via Rick Roll, stomp with your feet, whatever you can come up with.









Posted by fillmoregandt
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

I planted a 200 yard strip of milo along the fence line of our hay pasture. Am I allowed to bush hog it when the time is right?

Or since I don't have a "milo farm" am I only allowed to hunt it left standing as is?


If you bush hogged/disced it up in order to plant another crop, then you may be alright (Normal agricultural practice)

If you bush hogged/disced it up in order to slay doves, you may have issue.


^ just my best guess/interpretation. As long as you can spin it to show a reasonable intent for seeding other than killing doves, you can be okay. My buddy plants his food plots for deer the week before dove season, and it's okay as long as it's done in a normal manner (i.e. using a reasonable amount of wheat to plant, instead of dumping 2 tons of wheat on a 3 acre field)


DISCLAIMER: I have no experience in this, and any information taken from this post is by no means a definitive, legal interpretation
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 4:07 pm
Posted by AlxTgr
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

If you bush hogged/disced it up in order to slay doves, you may have issue.


Nope.

Read the stuff already posted.
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:07 pm to
Nah, he's good to do whatever. He can manipulate how he wants. There is no "normal ag practice" with doves. That's ducks. As long as you are not chunking seed out of a bag, you're legal to dove hunt.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:08 pm to
That's why I'm still sketchy about all this.

ETA

quote:

As long as you are not chunking seed out of a bag, you're legal to dove hunt.


That's how I see it. I'm still sketchy though...
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 4:11 pm
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:12 pm to
If it's a plant that grew in that spot, you can do anything you want to it any time you want.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:14 pm to
As long as you grew the seed and didn't buy it and dump it, then it is legal. Also don't grow it remove it from the field then pour it back out on the ground. Everything else is good to go, cutting, plowing, burning, etc.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Member since Dec 2007
38735 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:17 pm to
Well then what did you mean by?

quote:

You have to have farm equipment to bait...


That threw me off...
Posted by prostyleoffensetime
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:17 pm to
For the record, I wouldn't bush hog milo. Itching your arse off all afternoon is not worth a good dove hunt.
Posted by oleyeller
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:18 pm to
Again i say

cut it
burn it
hunt it
Posted by prostyleoffensetime
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2009
11437 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

As long as you grew the seed and didn't buy it and dump it, then it is legal. Also don't grow it remove it from the field then pour it back out on the ground. Everything else is good to go, cutting, plowing, burning, etc.




Yeah, I'm under the impression that you can run a combine through a stand of corn and purposefully set it to where your loss is astronomical, and it's still legal to hunt over.
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 4:21 pm
Posted by wickowick
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

Well then what did you mean by?


It keeps people without means from planting because they don't have the equipment. So as long as you have the equipment and land you can legally bait if you put in the time...
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38735 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

So as long as you have the equipment and land you can legally bait if you put in the time...


Got ya. I understand it all every year, talk myself out of what "I know", then have you fine trusted fellows to reign me back in.
Posted by CFDoc
Member since Jan 2013
2095 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:33 pm to
Interesting discussion going on here.

I'll add my little tidbit. Earlier this year, my father and I actually called LDWF and got an agent to come out to our field to discuss the proper way to prepare our field legally.

We planted sunflowers and milo at the proper times in the spring. We are now going to bush hog the field in the next few weeks in order to make the field more attractive for doves.

We were told, in a very clear manner, by a LDWF agent, that this was 100% legal to do.
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