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Doves & Goat Weed Question (Now w/ Baiting Debate)
Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:52 am
Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:52 am
I have a bumper crop of goat weed going at one of my dove spots. In the past, I let it do it's thing. Of course, that means it's still green opening day as it doesn't drop seeds until the first frost or so in October.
I've had some okay hunts over it early in the season, but the best are later when the flowers open and drop seeds all around the plants.
Question:
Would you spray to kill and speed up the dry down process? What about bush hog some strips through it?
Part of me says it wouldn't work because the seeds need more time to mature. Another part of me wants to attract more doves sooner.
Should I experiment? Anyone else "manage" goat weed, or should I just be patient?
This is what it looked like opening weekend last year...
Killed a few, like 3 opening day...
Then, we had a freeze about a month later and the following weekend I checked it. I jumped over 300 birds out of it. I set up same as above before daylight and killed 12 the next morning by myself.
I appreciate any responses, thoughts or ideas...
I've had some okay hunts over it early in the season, but the best are later when the flowers open and drop seeds all around the plants.
Question:
Would you spray to kill and speed up the dry down process? What about bush hog some strips through it?
Part of me says it wouldn't work because the seeds need more time to mature. Another part of me wants to attract more doves sooner.
Should I experiment? Anyone else "manage" goat weed, or should I just be patient?
This is what it looked like opening weekend last year...
Killed a few, like 3 opening day...
Then, we had a freeze about a month later and the following weekend I checked it. I jumped over 300 birds out of it. I set up same as above before daylight and killed 12 the next morning by myself.
I appreciate any responses, thoughts or ideas...
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 12:49 pm
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:58 am to Clyde Tipton
could you spray and plow in strips to expose the dirt? That way you can spread out the hunting
Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:59 am to wickowick
cut it
let it dry
burn it
profit
let it dry
burn it
profit
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:08 am to wickowick
quote:
could you spray and plow in strips to expose the dirt?
I've got about 5 acres worth of goat weed in a 55 acre field. There is plenty to play with. That's why I was thinking about trying spraying, bush hogging or disking some to stagger and or get the process started earlier.
Also of note, this year I planted a 200 yard strip of milo/sorghum down the side of the road in the hay pasture. It started putting out seed heads about 2 weeks ago, so the timing with the opener is looking okay on it.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:10 am to oleyeller
quote:
cut it
let it dry
burn it
profit
Now, or a week or so before the season opens? If I'm not mistaken, you can manipulate dove fields any way you want outside of just baiting with fresh seed from a bag... cutting, disking, burning, etc. should be okay.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:23 am to Clyde Tipton
quote:
If I'm not mistaken, you can manipulate dove fields any way you want outside of just baiting with fresh seed from a bag...
quote:
Baiting NOTE: Hunters are responsible for knowing whether an area is baited or not. The following baiting rules have been established by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service: A hunter may hunt any migratory game bird:
-over standing crops, standing flooded crops and flooded harvested crops at any time
-over natural vegetation that has been manipulated. Natural vegetation does not include planted millet. However, planted millet that grows on its own in subsequent years after the planting is considered natural vegetation
Goat weed being natural vegetation...
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:01 am to Clyde Tipton
Like you said, goat weed doesn't get right for dove hunting until October. Your best bet for killing doves over it is to wait until then and clip it and/or burn it. But you can hurry it along some by spraying it. I have a bunch of goat weed that took over about an acre of a sunflower field. I just smoked it with 24D and Roundup last Thursday. I'm going to wait until it gets dries out some more, disk around the perimeter than burn the shite out of it.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:21 am to LSUballs
Why did you only kill 12? The limit is 15.
Bushhog strips last week of September
Bushhog strips last week of September
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:30 am to 2indapink
quote:
Why did you only kill 12? The limit is 15.
Ain't like I didn't try...
quote:
Bushhog strips last week of September
So, don't jump the gun, but let the seed mature a little more?
Posted on 8/8/16 at 11:19 am to Clyde Tipton
Pretty sure for dove you can plant and manipulate the crop.
Ducks you can not.
Ducks you can not.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 11:54 am to jimjackandjose
You cannot plant a crop with the sole purpose being as a food plot for doves, and then manipulate it. If it is non-native, and you manipulate it, they can write you a ticket.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 11:57 am to Cowboyfan89
quote:
You cannot plant a crop with the sole purpose being as a food plot for doves, and then manipulate it.
That is incorrect.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:12 pm to Clyde Tipton
I was too late to plant millet this year so I'm going to shred goat weed starting this coming weekend.
I've also thought about doing this...
Go to the opposite side of the pasture and pick goat weed seeds and put them in a bucket. Shred them in a blender and dump them on the ground after I shred the goat weed with a brush hog.
Yeah that would be a full day's work but a way to get around getting caught for baiting. Idk
I've also thought about doing this...
Go to the opposite side of the pasture and pick goat weed seeds and put them in a bucket. Shred them in a blender and dump them on the ground after I shred the goat weed with a brush hog.
Yeah that would be a full day's work but a way to get around getting caught for baiting. Idk
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:25 pm to Cowboyfan89
You are incorrect
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:33 pm to LSUballs
The regulations read such that you can only take birds over a crop that is manipulated as a result of normal agricultural operations.
Explain to me how I am reading that wrong.
Explain to me how I am reading that wrong.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:34 pm to Cowboyfan89
If it is illegal, then why do the public wma fields have planted millet that has been cut and either left cut it burned?
You can also put out wheat so long as it isn't more than what would be normally planted. Never seen it but heard they can count that shite per SF and write a ticket
You can also put out wheat so long as it isn't more than what would be normally planted. Never seen it but heard they can count that shite per SF and write a ticket
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:37 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:
You cannot plant a crop with the sole purpose being as a food plot for doves, and then manipulate it. If it is non-native, and you manipulate it, they can write you a ticket.
Well, they better get their ticket books out.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:37 pm to LSUballs
quote:
That is incorrect.
It took me a while to wrap my head around it.
In a nut shell, I interpret the law to say...
"Dove hunting is more lenient than duck hunting. If you plant something for doves, do what you wish to make it more attractive. Manipulating crops for ducks can only be done under standard agricultural practices.
Seed available for any migratory game bird to eat must be produced from crops planted during the spring/early summer if you want to hunt it."
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:41 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:
he regulations read such that you can only take birds over a crop that is manipulated as a result of normal agricultural operations.
Shredding and discing and even burning sunflowers, millet etc. is a normal agricultural practice.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:44 pm to 34venture
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This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 12:51 pm
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