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BSC land owners
Posted on 10/4/12 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 10/4/12 at 11:24 pm
I entered into a verbal agreement with an owner of a really nice piece of prime land to lease for deer season. After talking with the owner for a while on the phone things sounded good. I went with a buddy to go check the place out. Everything looked great. Covered in tracks and trails and scared up 4 deer in the middle of the afternoon. Told the owner that we have a deal so the owner worked up the lease and emailed it to me. Got the lease today and it seems like the owner has jumped off the deep end. These are things that the owner put in the lease which I thought seemed a bit over the top, but I wanted to post them here to double check to see if these rules are common practice and I am going to have to expect these rules on future leases or if the owner is being too controlling.
Allowing owner to lease the land out for hunting from under the paid hunters
Requiring all feeders to be set to go off at the same time at the time the owner mandates
Requiring hunters to sign in when they arrive at property and when they sit in blinds
Getting pre approval for persons accompanying hunter before going on the land
Leaving jawbones of deer at a designated location for record keeping
Requiring a minimum 12 hour call ahead of planning to go hunt
Can only hunt hogs during deer season
Not to mention that virtually none of what we discussed and agreed to on the phone (squirrel hunting, dove hunting, etc). was in the lease.
I decided it wasn't worth my money even though it is a really nice piece of land.
Did I make the right decision?
Allowing owner to lease the land out for hunting from under the paid hunters
Requiring all feeders to be set to go off at the same time at the time the owner mandates
Requiring hunters to sign in when they arrive at property and when they sit in blinds
Getting pre approval for persons accompanying hunter before going on the land
Leaving jawbones of deer at a designated location for record keeping
Requiring a minimum 12 hour call ahead of planning to go hunt
Can only hunt hogs during deer season
Not to mention that virtually none of what we discussed and agreed to on the phone (squirrel hunting, dove hunting, etc). was in the lease.
I decided it wasn't worth my money even though it is a really nice piece of land.
Did I make the right decision?
Posted on 10/4/12 at 11:28 pm to OhOhSeven
That is not typical. Dude sounds like an over bearing control freak. 12 hour rule?? Sounds like he wants to set this deal up with two groups and manage it to where the groups never cross paths or something.
Posted on 10/4/12 at 11:33 pm to Choirboy
Thats what I'm thinking also. The lease requires all feeders be full at all times.
Posted on 10/5/12 at 12:10 am to Choirboy
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Sounds like he wants to set this deal up with two groups and manage it to where the groups never cross paths or something.
this.
I would stay away from this dude. even if you get the lease set up the way you want, I wouldn't trust what he's doing when you aren't there.
Posted on 10/5/12 at 12:51 am to OhOhSeven
Unless its got great deer and doesn't cost that much I would stay away. You may show up and find all your feeders and stands are "missing".
Posted on 10/5/12 at 2:07 am to OhOhSeven
I can not wait till the day crew gets a hold of this one. Guy has got to me a homer.
Posted on 10/5/12 at 3:02 am to Choirboy
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I can not wait till the day crew gets a hold of this one
Should be good
Posted on 10/5/12 at 5:56 am to OhOhSeven
I'd rather a shitty piece of land with freedom than a great piece with all that bs.
This is America, dammit!
This is America, dammit!
Posted on 10/5/12 at 6:06 am to OhOhSeven
Those terms are unacceptable.
Posted on 10/5/12 at 6:44 am to windriver
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Those terms are unacceptable.
This! Call him and tell him he is NUTS! Don't walk, run away.
Posted on 10/5/12 at 6:46 am to windriver
Buck that. I definitely would not lease with those rules.
pretty shitty to agree to something verbally and then change it up in the paperwork.
something is definitely not on the up and up
pretty shitty to agree to something verbally and then change it up in the paperwork.
something is definitely not on the up and up
Posted on 10/5/12 at 7:24 am to OhOhSeven
It appears to me that he was pretty obviously planning to have you work the land and set everything up, then he would bring in paying day hunters to hunt your stands. Pretty messed up...
Posted on 10/5/12 at 7:47 am to OhOhSeven
Call him and tell him he must have sent the wrong lease terms by mistake. Surely that must have been intended as a joke email or something.
That dude is nuts.
That dude is nuts.
Posted on 10/5/12 at 7:51 am to OhOhSeven
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Did I make the right decision?
Where in the hell is this place? I've been involved in many a lease agreements and have never heard of some of this.
Posted on 10/5/12 at 7:52 am to OhOhSeven
This dude fell off his rocker.... I would not trust him...i have never heard of such rules!
This post was edited on 10/5/12 at 8:06 am
Posted on 10/5/12 at 8:11 am to tenfoe
It's in south texas. We went out there and the place is really top notch and the price wasn't too bad. We discussed coyote, dove, hog, deer (1 trophy, 1 spike, and any MLD permits the owner didn't want (said typically it is about 6-8 does for the land and the hunters would split up 6 of them), racoon, and squirrel hunting (basically anything but bob cats (even if I shot a bob cat I couldn't get it in a decent mount amirite???), and foxes).
The owner agreed to this. And since we are hunting so many things you would think it would be a year long or at least during a typical game season. We get the papers and it is explicitly mentioned that it is only bucks and hogs (only 1 trophy buck, 1 spike and 2 hogs per hunter) and said that the hunters have no right to the MLD permits. The lease would be restricted to only regular season deer. AND we could only shoot hogs during deer season.
We ran like hell from this place and sent the owner an electronic middle finger via email.
The owner agreed to this. And since we are hunting so many things you would think it would be a year long or at least during a typical game season. We get the papers and it is explicitly mentioned that it is only bucks and hogs (only 1 trophy buck, 1 spike and 2 hogs per hunter) and said that the hunters have no right to the MLD permits. The lease would be restricted to only regular season deer. AND we could only shoot hogs during deer season.
We ran like hell from this place and sent the owner an electronic middle finger via email.
Posted on 10/5/12 at 8:36 am to El Josey Wales
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Call him and tell him he must have sent the wrong lease terms by mistake. Surely that must have been intended as a joke email or something
I would have to tell him how fn stupid he was. Also how sorry he is for going back on his word from the verbal agreement.
Posted on 10/5/12 at 9:02 am to OhOhSeven
that's a pretty crafty way of getting someone else to do all your work for you(ie. build stands, place and fill feeders, clear shooting lanes) while the owner continues to hunt AND gets paid. Pretty sharp on his part. I was in a Creole bayou duck lease like this some years ago. they get a new sucker every year, b/c last year's sucker realizes how bad he got screwed.
Posted on 10/5/12 at 9:10 am to 10MTNTiger
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It appears to me that he was pretty obviously planning to have you work the land and set everything up, then he would bring in paying day hunters to hunt your stands. Pretty messed up...
I'm a complete novice and this is what was running through my mind as I read the OP...
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