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re: Baby Desert Eagle 9MM purchase...
Posted on 12/10/13 at 8:32 am to KBeezy
Posted on 12/10/13 at 8:32 am to KBeezy
quote:
KBeezy
Very nice. I was going to get the black one with the Omega trigger. It has the upwards beavertail. I also liked the SA on the Omega slightly more. (Tried at Jims with a P07)
Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:58 am to KBeezy
That's a beauty. CZ 75 is very fine.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 12:33 pm to Clames
Not sure what "Used them for a long time" means.
Stood on the firing line last weekend at a Rangemaster class next to a guy shooting one. We only fired about 850 rounds in that class, but he was borrowing bandaids and tape before TD1 was over.
Some people use the "movie" version of charging the weapon. They won't get cut.
Most people (at any training school) use the "universal" method that is taught at every training academy I've attended. And you will get cuts//slices//bruises//etc. from that safety//decocker lever on the 92FS.
I've owned one since the US military adopted it as their sidearm in 1985. I might know a little bit about it -- although you may know a whole lot more about them, and about SD handguns in general, than I.
Any slide-mounted safety//decocker lever is a crappy feature for a self defense handgun (which begs the question of why anyone would need an external safety on a SD weapon.) There's a reason the HSLD military guys don't carry the M9. And there's a reason that I've yet to see a single instructor at any of the training academies I've attended carrying a 92FS (M9).
But people fall in love with handguns for lots of reasons that have little to do with functionality. So if folks love the Baby Desert Eagle, or the 92FS, it doesn't cost me anything. I only mentioned it for the edification of those who might look analytically at the design of the subject weapon.
Stood on the firing line last weekend at a Rangemaster class next to a guy shooting one. We only fired about 850 rounds in that class, but he was borrowing bandaids and tape before TD1 was over.
Some people use the "movie" version of charging the weapon. They won't get cut.
Most people (at any training school) use the "universal" method that is taught at every training academy I've attended. And you will get cuts//slices//bruises//etc. from that safety//decocker lever on the 92FS.
I've owned one since the US military adopted it as their sidearm in 1985. I might know a little bit about it -- although you may know a whole lot more about them, and about SD handguns in general, than I.
Any slide-mounted safety//decocker lever is a crappy feature for a self defense handgun (which begs the question of why anyone would need an external safety on a SD weapon.) There's a reason the HSLD military guys don't carry the M9. And there's a reason that I've yet to see a single instructor at any of the training academies I've attended carrying a 92FS (M9).
But people fall in love with handguns for lots of reasons that have little to do with functionality. So if folks love the Baby Desert Eagle, or the 92FS, it doesn't cost me anything. I only mentioned it for the edification of those who might look analytically at the design of the subject weapon.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 2:48 pm to AlxTgr
Nah, nah, nah -- don't start.
The planet can only withstand a finite numbers of changes in its rotational velocity.
The planet can only withstand a finite numbers of changes in its rotational velocity.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:01 pm to Yewkindewit
Dessert Eagle, that's one great big ole pistol, I mean .50 caliber made by....badass Hebrews.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:02 pm to LSUballs
..and the choice of Matrix Agents everywhere.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:52 pm to dawg23
If you are getting bruises and cuts from that safety, man , hate to say it BUT you ain't doing something right. I have done numerous armorers schools with the 92f and ever saw one ever!
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TREAD ON THE BABY EAGLE, A FINE GUN MADE IN ISRAEL.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TREAD ON THE BABY EAGLE, A FINE GUN MADE IN ISRAEL.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 5:05 pm to BIG Texan
To understand what Dawg is talking about you need to know a little about how slide manipulation/malfunction clearing are being taught by the best instructors in the business.
Weapons with slide-mounted safeties can present problems (perhaps not for everyone) if you use an over the top/powerstroke method to rack your slide. It's also possible to engage the safety if you're not careful.
Check out these videos.
LINK
LINK
You should be able to see how a slide-mounted safety COULD present problems if you use this method to rack the slide. I hesitated to make this post, because there are some cocky cats, even on the usually humble OB.
Not everyone is going to agree, and you may not have these issues.
Weapons with slide-mounted safeties can present problems (perhaps not for everyone) if you use an over the top/powerstroke method to rack your slide. It's also possible to engage the safety if you're not careful.
Check out these videos.
LINK
LINK
You should be able to see how a slide-mounted safety COULD present problems if you use this method to rack the slide. I hesitated to make this post, because there are some cocky cats, even on the usually humble OB.
Not everyone is going to agree, and you may not have these issues.
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 12/11/13 at 5:23 pm to Yat27
I did not understand. Now do.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 7:50 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
I did not understand. Now do.
quote:
AlxTgr
Posted on 12/11/13 at 8:39 pm to dawg23
You have to be seriously ham-fisted to do that with a 92FS/M9. Period. Conducted too many classes and ranges with them over the years and that is in no way, shape, or form a serious issue.
You have a right to your opinion but there are too many perfectly good SD guns that have those safeties to lend weight to it.
Really? I still see them training/using them. Might be surprised to know that there are some HSLD military guys out there that like them.
If you say so...
quote:
Any slide-mounted safety//decocker lever is a crappy feature for a self defense handgun (which begs the question of why anyone would need an external safety on a SD weapon.)
You have a right to your opinion but there are too many perfectly good SD guns that have those safeties to lend weight to it.
quote:
There's a reason the HSLD military guys don't carry the M9.
Really? I still see them training/using them. Might be surprised to know that there are some HSLD military guys out there that like them.
quote:
I only mentioned it for the edification of those who might look analytically at the design of the subject weapon.
If you say so...
Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:56 pm to Clames
Where did you get that baby eagle?
Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:06 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
Gander. Mountain in Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:27 am to Clames
quote:
You have to be seriously ham-fisted to do that with a 92FS/M9. Period. Conducted too many classes and ranges with them over the years and that is in no way, shape, or form a serious issue.
I still see them training/using them. Might be surprised to know that there are some HSLD military guys out there that like them.
No offense intended, and I have no interest in arguing with you -- but I'm truly interested in knowing which units you're referring to.
And interested in learning how you were trained in those classes to rack the slide.
And interested in what non-military training classes you have conducted (or attended).
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:57 am to dawg23
Not interested yet you want to measure your e-dick with mine? No thanks. Let me put it this way in very simple terms: you are making a mountain out of a mole hill on this topic. This is nothing that careful and deliberate training doesn't solve. Same reasons I don't worry about Glock leg, Garand thumb, cylinder gap thumb, or a host of other such issues that are remedied by ATD.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:22 am to LSUballs
quote:Is that one with some sugar on it?
Dessert Eagle, that's one great big ole pistol
Sorry, I'll leave now.
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