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Posted on 8/8/12 at 12:40 pm to 10888bge
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I guess that guy rides a bike with wood tires , no paint, and unoiled chain & sprocket, and only wears hemp
Posted on 8/8/12 at 12:52 pm to countryboy2
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You guys should open your freaking eyes. You would think that people that post on the "Outdoors Board" would be lovers of the great outdoors and the waters and bayous of our beautiful state. You better open your eyes. Within the recent future, we won't be able to find one inch of Louisiana soil/water that hasn't been contaminated by oil and gas operations. its fricking shame. At least lawyers hold these guys accountable b/c the legislature certainly wont
Let's be reallistic here. There are many things as detrimental to the state's ecosystem as oil and gas operations. And yes, landowners are suing oil and gas operators all the time for damages. Many of the damages occured 50+ years ago.
Let's start here with things that have cumulative environmental effects in Louisiana similar or worse than oil and gas activities.
1. Segmenting off blocks of habitat by the construction of highways. Critters stand a much better chance of staying alive crossing a pipeline right-of-way in St. Helena Parish than a highway anywhere.
2. Jackasses trapping hogs and keeping them alive instead of killing them on the spot.
3. Other jackasses transporting live coyotes instead of killing
4. House cats (kill 4 billion animals worldwide annually, and 5 million birds). And they eat less than 20% of what they kill.
5. Overhunting. Louisiana has one of the longest deer hunting seasons in the U.S., with one of the most liberal bag limits, and the highest per capita hunting populations.
6. Strict federal and state regulations regarding marsh creation projects, and the financial burdens which kill many projects that would otherwise provide ecological benefits.
7. Environmentalists that are so anti-progress, that T-Mike and Horace from down the bayou can't get a job on the pipelines anymore, so they start poaching alligators and deer to sell on the black market to pay the mortgage on their trailers.
(This one was a stretch, but fun nevertheless.)
I could go on and on. My point is, there are environmental groups all over that are wanting another Lake Peigneur disaster to happen to add fuel to the fire they are trying to burn oil companies with. Ever since the beginning of human civilization there have been man-made events that have changed the landscape forever. People and animals have adapted. Until someone starts mass-producing affordable semi-trucks, heavy equipment, and passenger vehicles that will run off human piss, we better get used to oil and gas and the way they are obtained.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 12:57 pm to tenfoe
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1. Segmenting off blocks of habitat by the construction of highways. Critters stand a much better chance of staying alive crossing a pipeline right-of-way in St. Helena Parish than a highway anywhere.
Need smooth roads for my Eco friendly Prius brah
Posted on 8/8/12 at 12:57 pm to tenfoe
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Let's start here with things that have cumulative environmental effects in Louisiana similar or worse than oil and gas activities.
1. Segmenting off blocks of habitat by the construction of highways. Critters stand a much better chance of staying alive crossing a pipeline right-of-way in St. Helena Parish than a highway anywhere.
2. Jackasses trapping hogs and keeping them alive instead of killing them on the spot.
3. Other jackasses transporting live coyotes instead of killing
4. House cats (kill 4 billion animals worldwide annually, and 5 million birds). And they eat less than 20% of what they kill.
5. Overhunting. Louisiana has one of the longest deer hunting seasons in the U.S., with one of the most liberal bag limits, and the highest per capita hunting populations.
6. Strict federal and state regulations regarding marsh creation projects, and the financial burdens which kill many projects that would otherwise provide ecological benefits.
7. Environmentalists that are so anti-progress, that T-Mike and Horace from down the bayou can't get a job on the pipelines anymore, so they start poaching alligators and deer to sell on the black market to pay the mortgage on their trailers.
(This one was a stretch, but fun nevertheless.)
Dude, I disagree with the guy, but most of what you just said is completely unsubstantiated personal opinion that could be very easily debunked.
The only thing that I would argue has been more harmful to South Louisiana wildlife is the lower Mississippi River levee system.
In particular, people that trap and pen feral hogs for later harvest have ultimately reduced the population. I'd rather they have a feral hog in a pen than running around my land reproducing like rabbits.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:00 pm to Nodust
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Need smooth roads for my Eco friendly Prius brah
His point is very flawed. Historic O&G exploration destroyed habitat, habitat that is lost forever. The loss of coastal habitat is a MUCH bigger issue for the local, regional, and global ecosystem than a gator or 100 getting wiped out on US90.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:28 pm to Jester
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The only thing that I would argue has been more harmful to South Louisiana wildlife is the lower Mississippi River levee system.
I agree. And yes the oil and gas industry has wreaked havoc on our wetlands. But it's a bit of a necessary evil. Could you imagine louisiana's economy without the oil and gas industry?
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:31 pm to Jester
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completely unsubstantiated personal opinion
Not really, I do this for a living.
#1- Is fact, in a terrestrial setting.
#2- Fact. That is why there are laws such as the Lacy Law
#3- Fact. See Lacy Law
#4- Fact. See University of Georgia study. Just google UGA Kitty Cam
#5- Partially fact. Partially speculation. With a population of 4.5 million, and 600,000+ hunting licenses sold, that's 13% or so of the population, including children. Take out those too young or old to need a license, and you end up with a deer herd under tremendous pressure, from October 1- Jan 31.
#6- Fact. Although the regs do limit environmentally detrimental activities, the same constraints are placed on those projects which would provide benefits.
#7- Of course I made this shite up.
The Lower Mississippi levee system has provided over a million acres of land to be inhabited by humans, which would have otherwise been innundated at least 30 days per year on average. It has also done a tremendous amount of harm to the ecosystem. That being said, the fact that so many people live in the areas which need to be destroyed in order to restore somewhat of the historical hydrology of the river cannot be ignored. People vs. Crabs..People win every time.
I don't want to argue, I argue about this stuff for a living 50 hours per week. I was just trying to point out that instead of panicking about a salt dome collapse would be better suited fighting to shorten deer seasons, kill all the exotics, kill all the animals in shelters and use that money for useful projects, and de-regulate some construction activities in the coastal zone.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:39 pm to tenfoe
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instead of panicking about a salt dome collapse would be better suited fighting to shorten deer seasons, kill all the exotics, kill all the animals in shelters and use that money for useful projects, and de-regulate some construction activities in the coastal zone.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:40 pm to tenfoe
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Not really, I do this for a living.
Okay, and what field did you receive your PhD? If not PhD, what specific background do you have to proclaim yourself an expert?
Seriously, I'm trying not to be a dick here, but your arguments are all tangential to the main argument being made.
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#2- Fact. That is why there are laws such as the Lacy Law
So, the Lacy Law was specifically written for people taking feral hogs OUT OF THE WILD for subsequent but not immediate slaughter? That's really silly.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:42 pm to tenfoe
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I was just trying to point out that instead of panicking about a salt dome collapse would be better suited fighting to shorten deer seasons, kill all the exotics, kill all the animals in shelters and use that money for useful projects, and de-regulate some construction activities in the coastal zone.
All I can do is laugh at this. I really want to hear your credentials.Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:45 pm to Jester
With freshwater now allowed to enter the dome, the salt will begin dissolving into the water, becoming brine. If you cannot close this system, fresh water could cycle through the cavern, dissolving further salt and could subsequently destabilize the entire dome, causing a MUCH bigger sinkhole.
To imply that this is some minor issue is extremely naive.
To imply that this is some minor issue is extremely naive.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:45 pm to tenfoe
Yeah, the only way to make the wetlands as pristine as they were would be to move every single person out. But only after they dismantled and carted off every building, road, telephone pole and fence post. Then you gotta dynamite every levee and lock.
That of course is not going to happen. Instead we have to live with some kind of tradeoff. As a dirty Yankee, I have no idea how bad marsh destruction, saltwater intrusion, ect has been. But other than that, I think our country has done a good job with the people/nature tradeoff.
That of course is not going to happen. Instead we have to live with some kind of tradeoff. As a dirty Yankee, I have no idea how bad marsh destruction, saltwater intrusion, ect has been. But other than that, I think our country has done a good job with the people/nature tradeoff.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:48 pm to Cold Pizza
quote:More trout!
saltwater intrusion
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:48 pm to Cold Pizza
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Yeah, the only way to make the wetlands as pristine as they were would be to move every single person out. But only after they dismantled and carted off every building, road, telephone pole and fence post. Then you gotta dynamite every levee and lock.
That of course is not going to happen
And the coastal erosion is not going to stop until you reach more solid ground several miles inland. All the marsh restoration projects in the world are not going to replace the sedimentation that the MR provided.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:50 pm to countryboy2
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Within the recent future, we won't be able to find one inch of Louisiana soil/water that hasn't been contaminated by oil and gas operations. its fricking shame. At least lawyers hold these guys accountable b/c the legislature certainly wont
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countryboy2
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Zimbabwe
probably works for the O&G field
Posted on 8/8/12 at 1:57 pm to AlxTgr
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saltwater intrusion
More trout!
Great point. Man's inadvertent interference favors one wildlife species over another. So what? It's still wildlife.
Say the Rocky Mountains get infested with Chinese pine beetles (or whatever) and all the pine trees die. Some other tree/bush/ plant that isn't suceptible will fill in. Even in the absence of man the ecosystem is changing. And that's a good thing.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:22 pm to tenfoe
quote:While highways do affect drainage, O&G canals are a huge factor in the erosion of South LA. There is only a minimal amount of animals killed with vehicles a year. Darwin at work
1. Segmenting off blocks of habitat by the construction of highways. Critters stand a much better chance of staying alive crossing a pipeline right-of-way in St. Helena Parish than a highway anywhere
quote:I fricking hate cats
4. House cats (kill 4 billion animals worldwide annually, and 5 million birds). And they eat less than 20% of what they kill.
quote:Most of the people I grew up hunting with only hunt for meat. They could care less how big the rack on a buck is. These are all South LA people. I am the same way. I really dont give two shits how big a rack is, I just hunt for the meat
5. Overhunting. Louisiana has one of the longest deer hunting seasons in the U.S., with one of the most liberal bag limits, and the highest per capita hunting populations.
quote:I would say that this is much, much more federal than state
6. Strict federal and state regulations regarding marsh creation projects, and the financial burdens which kill many projects that would otherwise provide ecological benefits.
quote:The buyers are just as at fault for this. They know it is out of season, yet they continue to buy
7. Environmentalists that are so anti-progress, that T-Mike and Errol from down the bayou can't get a job on the pipelines anymore, so they start poaching alligators and deer to sell on the black market to pay the mortgage on their trailers.
One thing that I absolutely hate, besides cats, is that there are law firms that strictly exist to sue the government over environmental issues. I saw this directly when cutting timber on Homochitto. The foresters have to say that they are managing for some animal to be able to cut, and the law firms send out someone to look at stumps and count trees every year. It is ridiculous to think that a law firm, with a paid expert, should be allowed to dictate what happens in the wild
ETA: Salt water intrusion does far more damage than you think. It is responsible for killing millions of acres of fresh water plants and setting back hundreds of years of evolution of the ecosystems that were built on fresh water. Not cool
This post was edited on 8/8/12 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:27 pm to Hammertime
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Most of the people I grew up hunting with only hunt for meat. They could care less how big the rack on a buck is. These are all South LA people. I am the same way. I really dont give two shits how big a rack is, I just hunt for the meat
Dammit this depresses me. I'll never get a nice buck in south LA
Posted on 8/8/12 at 2:37 pm to Boats n Hose
quote:They dont really over-hunt. Normally max 3 deer/yr, and they are either swamp deer or marsh deer which 1 in 100 will have a big rack. Most are just basket racks
Dammit this depresses me. I'll never get a nice buck in south LA
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