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Advice on pond building for fish?
Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:48 am
Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:48 am
We are looking to dig a ~1 acre pond for recreational use including fishing. I'm in Indiana here, so according to the DNR the best/easiest mix of species is largemouth bass, red ear bluegill, and channel catfish, and they recommend a depth of ~10 feet. Where we would be building would be on a higher part of the property, but in clay soil. I'm not sure if the water would just fill in naturally (as the clay soil has a very high seasonal water table in the winter), but worst case we could pump it full from an adjacent stream or from a well we have. My understanding is that if we can get the pond full, this would be ideal as opposed to a pond filling naturally in a lower spot from water runoff which would be a lot dirtier and result in not as good habitat for the fish. I'd love to get some ducks on it to have good hunting as well, but from what I've read it's tough to have a good fishing and hunting pond as the ducks need shallower water while the fish like deeper water.
So from those of you who have had ponds built, what advice do you have? On selecting the right contractor, things you would do differently, trying to make it good for fishing and hunting, etc.?
So from those of you who have had ponds built, what advice do you have? On selecting the right contractor, things you would do differently, trying to make it good for fishing and hunting, etc.?
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 7:50 am
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:02 am to GeneralLee
Pondboss is the resource for this. They will get you pointed in the right direction. Loads of info there.
Right off the bat though, catfish with bass and bream in a 1ac pond isn’t recommended. The first thing you’ll read on there and the best advice is you have to establish your goals for the pond and understand its limits.
Right off the bat though, catfish with bass and bream in a 1ac pond isn’t recommended. The first thing you’ll read on there and the best advice is you have to establish your goals for the pond and understand its limits.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:15 am to bossflossjr
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Paging Nascar...
He said pond, not puddle.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 8:17 am
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:15 am to bossflossjr
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Paging Nascar...
beat me too it
I'll put in a request on the O50B
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:19 am to GeneralLee
As long as it holds water. There are a lot of stories about people digging ponds, filling them, and then the water seeps out because the ground will not swell and seal up.
Not telling you to have a professional do it but you might want to drill a core sample or two to see if it will hold water without having to do some remediation. Need to make sure it will hold water. This way you can plan for that now.
Not telling you to have a professional do it but you might want to drill a core sample or two to see if it will hold water without having to do some remediation. Need to make sure it will hold water. This way you can plan for that now.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 9:21 am
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:20 am to reds on reds on reds
Request submitted for Nascar on the old people board...
your welcome
your welcome
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:21 am to TheDrunkenTigah
catfish will take over a 1AC pond quickly
I'd do one or the other but not both
you'll need to aerate if you fill will well water
I'd do one or the other but not both
you'll need to aerate if you fill will well water
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:25 am to GeneralLee
Make that acre 1.5 feet deep all the way across.
Drain it in the spring and plant corn, rice, millet, whatever
flood it in the fall
frick fishing. build this thing for the greenheads
Drain it in the spring and plant corn, rice, millet, whatever
flood it in the fall
frick fishing. build this thing for the greenheads
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:31 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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frick fishing. build this thing for the greenheads
This is central Indiana, not really the best duck country. I see a few mallards and wood ducks here and there but nothing like the Delta.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:32 am to GeneralLee
Buy the Management of Recreational and Farm Ponds in Louisiana from LSU AgCenter Store. It cost a dollar for a digital download and has everything plus more regarding pond design.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:41 am to GeneralLee
I have a small pond on a lot I bought and I want to get the fish right in it. I called the aquacologist at LSU, yes that is a real job. He told me what would work and what wouldn't in my pond. What would breed and take over and what wouldn't. For down here he recommended hybrid striped bass, or catfish if there was no bottom structure. Said if there was a cinder block, tire or whatever in there the catfish would take over.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:50 am to GeneralLee
i have +/-10 acres draining into a 2.5 acre pond - overland flow. i have not had any water quality problems as the drainage area is vegetated pretty much year round.
in my experience, catfish will make your water a little muddy since they scrounge around on the bottom naturally.
DON'T get hybrid bream.
DON'T get 1/2 black bass and 1/2 fla bass - go with either one or the other. i suggest native.
DON'T get white sac-au-lait as they will over-populate quickly in a small pond.
as said earlier, get a core sample. nrcs will come do this for you for either very-low or no-cost.
ideally you want your clay content to be over 25%. however, i have gotten ponds to hold water with a clay content as low as 17%, but that is a different story (that i'm happy to share if the OB feels like reading an abbreviated primer on soil chemistry).
good luck!
in my experience, catfish will make your water a little muddy since they scrounge around on the bottom naturally.
DON'T get hybrid bream.
DON'T get 1/2 black bass and 1/2 fla bass - go with either one or the other. i suggest native.
DON'T get white sac-au-lait as they will over-populate quickly in a small pond.
as said earlier, get a core sample. nrcs will come do this for you for either very-low or no-cost.
ideally you want your clay content to be over 25%. however, i have gotten ponds to hold water with a clay content as low as 17%, but that is a different story (that i'm happy to share if the OB feels like reading an abbreviated primer on soil chemistry).
good luck!
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:13 am to GeneralLee
I'm no pro but let's break it down.
Make sure the damn or overflow is very well supported in case of heavy rainfall.
Second thing is the water source, I'd pump it from an adjacent stream. The only downfall might be some other species of fish might enter but you'll also get that from birds.
Third thing to consider is food before you put your
I still also throw out fish food. (Have caught several brim over 1 lb.)
No reason not to have a shallow end to try and get some ducks
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(as the clay soil has a very high seasonal water table in the winter),
Make sure the damn or overflow is very well supported in case of heavy rainfall.
Second thing is the water source, I'd pump it from an adjacent stream. The only downfall might be some other species of fish might enter but you'll also get that from birds.
Third thing to consider is food before you put your
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the best/easiest mix of species is largemouth bass, red ear bluegill, and channel catfish
I still also throw out fish food. (Have caught several brim over 1 lb.)
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trying to make it good for fishing and hunting, etc.?
No reason not to have a shallow end to try and get some ducks
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:37 am to GeneralLee
All good replies. Nothing to add except BE CERTAIN you to get professional help on whether or not it will hold the fricking water. And if it is borderline then assume it will not and take the appropriate steps. (there are things you can add to the base to help with this).
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:51 am to GeneralLee
I have a 1acre pond that will be stocked with channel cat. Yes bass are delicious but I dont want to have to go out there and try to decide what those picky lil frickers wana eat that day. Catfish will eat hot dog weiners all day erryday.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:36 am to GeneralLee
Forgot to mention that a contractor I had give an estimate for the project threw out a ballpark cost of $20K, but said that by selling the dirt excavated I could more than offset the cost of the pond (~500 loads of dirt @ $100/load). Does that sound feasible?
Posted on 2/6/18 at 11:08 am to GeneralLee
I don’t know much about selling dirt but the quote for the dirt work is about in line with what I’ve seen tossed around. Highly doubt you’re gonna get that for dirt. I can’t stress enough, do your homework here. You’re gonna be pissed at yourself if you sink a bunch of money into it and realize later on you could have saved some headaches before it was full of water, or worse, won’t hold water.
The source you use to fill the pond won’t matter nearly as much as the watershed and soil. You’re gonna get runoff whether you want it or not. That plus the soil will determine water quality long term, no matter how you fill it in the first place. Get soil samples of the watershed and the future bottom, lay down lime (no idea what soil up north is like but down here it’s a must), and take time to plan out your bottom features while it’s dry. Bream like gravel beds to spawn on and healthy bream are the key to healthy bass. Don’t skimp on stocking just cause the dirt work cost more than you thought, and don’t rush it.
Like I said earlier the first step really is deciding what you want out of it, learning if that goal is realistic, and then making that jive with your budget.
The source you use to fill the pond won’t matter nearly as much as the watershed and soil. You’re gonna get runoff whether you want it or not. That plus the soil will determine water quality long term, no matter how you fill it in the first place. Get soil samples of the watershed and the future bottom, lay down lime (no idea what soil up north is like but down here it’s a must), and take time to plan out your bottom features while it’s dry. Bream like gravel beds to spawn on and healthy bream are the key to healthy bass. Don’t skimp on stocking just cause the dirt work cost more than you thought, and don’t rush it.
Like I said earlier the first step really is deciding what you want out of it, learning if that goal is realistic, and then making that jive with your budget.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 11:23 am
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