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5 Worst Examples of Gun-Buying Advice ??
Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:26 pm
The guy who wrote this article (NOT ME) apparently got tired of reading//hearing gun-buying advice from neophytes. Maybe he's a member here ?
Anyway, here's his take:
LINK
We’ve all done it. A friend, colleague, relative, someone who is new to guns comes to us to get advice on buying their first gun, because we’re their token “gun-friend. ”It happens, and hopefully we haven’t jacked people up too much.
However, when you’ve been doing this for a while, you start to hear common examples of advice that people are given. Often I hear them when someone comes through a class and I ask why in heaven’s name they have that particular piece of gear.
After sitting down, I picked the first worst (best?) examples. If someone comes to you for advice, don’t do this.
5. Get the biggest caliber you can control.
Sigh. I’ve probably said this at some point in my past, and for that I’m very, very sorry. This nonsense is how untalented, brand spanking new shooters end up with tiny carry guns chambered in .40 S&W and .45 ACP, which results in them developing a wicked flinch whenever they go and fire it. Think about it: someone with no real gun experience goes and buys a Glock 27 because it’s small, and chambered in a “powerful” cartridge. They go the range and it’s all sturm and drang and sharp recoil, so they’re disinterested in future practice with it.
In this scenario, there are two options for good advice. If you think the person is interested in actually becoming a shooter, tell them to get a friggin’ .22 LR. Then they can actually learn stuff instead of just hammering bullets low and to left in a B27. However, if you don’t think they’re really interested in guns as a hobby and just want something for home protection, just tell them to get a full size 9mm service pistol. Be a good friend and explain that handgun stopping power is a myth, and there is no significant difference in terminal ballistics between any of the service cartridges.
4. Get a pocket gun because in most self-defense situations you won’t need to shoot.
This one drives me up the wall, but I’ve heard more than a few people say it. The line of reasoning is that since you probably won’t need to shoot your gun, the best idea is to get something that is completely unobtrusive, that you won’t have to put any effort into carrying. The thing that obviously drives me nuts about this is that it kicks off a logical progression that, if followed to its only logical conclusion, says you don’t really need to carry a gun at all ... all you need is a gun-shaped object.
Here’s the problem: what if your gunfight is an actual gunfight? What if you actually need to shoot someone? All of a sudden that little .380 with crappy sights and a heavy trigger isn’t so optimal, is it? No one who’s ever been in a real fight wished they had a smaller gun or less ammo; so why would you intentionally compromise your choices?
3. Get a revolver because they never jam.
This one is a personal pet peeve of mine. I love revolvers. I think they’re great. They’re mechanically interesting, they challenge me as a shooter, and they connect us to history, just a little bit. They also absolutely do fail mechanically, and when they do it frequently requires tools to fix.
I get the reasoning behind this one though, because it assumes the novice is going to want something that is easy to deal with if something goes wrong. Yes, it’s true that if you get a light primer hit on a wheelgun, the fix is simple: pull the trigger. But there are plenty of things that could happen to a wheelgun that aren’t light primer hits, and fixing those is a lot more complicated than “just pull the trigger.” Especially if you can’t pull the trigger, because I’ve seen that happen.
2. Get whatever your local police department uses.
I personally have fallen prey to this one on multiple occasions, because the logic behind it is so appealing. On surface it makes sense, because the odds are that your local PD isn’t going to be carrying some derpy POS around.
But the flip side of that is that a gun selected by a committee that may be largely disinterested in anything other the price, and intended to be carried around on a duty belt for 12 hours a day unconcealed may not be the best choice for concealed carry.
Additionally, political administrators frequently like to saddle their officers with trigger mechanisms that are intended to inhibit negligent discharges, but all they really accomplish making the gun more difficult to shoot should you actually need it.
1. Get whatever feels best in your hand.
This piece of advice however is the worst of them all. It rules the roost of bad gun buying advice, because what you’re asking a newbie with little understand of guns to do is select a piece of life saving equipment based purely on how it feels in your hand.
Let me tell you something, Cochise. There are a lot of aggressively shitty guns that feel wonderful when you hold them, but that can’t get through a box of ammo without crapping out. That’s really the problem.
I’ve had lots of people complain that Glocks don’t “feel good” in their hand. Tough sh**, because they’re awesome. Thankfully, I’ve almost never heard the same thing about M&Ps, which are also awesome, and generally have “feel good.”
But just relying on how a gun “feels” in your hand is the peak of bad advice. It doesn’t inform you on how the gun functions, how accurate it is, how reliable it is, or even if it’s comfortable when you start to actually shoot it. There are guns that feel great when you’re just holding them, but when you start putting rounds down range you discover that recoil changes things. A great example of this is the Ruger SR40, which I generally like, but when I started shooting it a lot, the safety ended up chewing a hole in my hand.
The point of all of this is to not give people bad advice. When someone who isn’t a gun person comes to you for advice, they’re in the awful situation of not knowing what they don’t know; and they’re likely relying on your opinion to steer them in the right direction. What can you do to help them? The best advice possible is to try and get them to take one of the many “introduction” classes, where you don’t need a gun to attend, because the range provides all of that. If that’s not an option, help them pick a reliable, concealable defensive handgun chambered in 9mm. Like a Glock 19. Or an M&P Compact.
Just his $.02 worth. But I see little about which to argue (although I'm sure somebody will find fault with all five points).
Anyway, here's his take:
LINK
quote:
5 Worst Examples of Gun-Buying Advice
We’ve all done it. A friend, colleague, relative, someone who is new to guns comes to us to get advice on buying their first gun, because we’re their token “gun-friend. ”It happens, and hopefully we haven’t jacked people up too much.
However, when you’ve been doing this for a while, you start to hear common examples of advice that people are given. Often I hear them when someone comes through a class and I ask why in heaven’s name they have that particular piece of gear.
After sitting down, I picked the first worst (best?) examples. If someone comes to you for advice, don’t do this.
5. Get the biggest caliber you can control.
Sigh. I’ve probably said this at some point in my past, and for that I’m very, very sorry. This nonsense is how untalented, brand spanking new shooters end up with tiny carry guns chambered in .40 S&W and .45 ACP, which results in them developing a wicked flinch whenever they go and fire it. Think about it: someone with no real gun experience goes and buys a Glock 27 because it’s small, and chambered in a “powerful” cartridge. They go the range and it’s all sturm and drang and sharp recoil, so they’re disinterested in future practice with it.
In this scenario, there are two options for good advice. If you think the person is interested in actually becoming a shooter, tell them to get a friggin’ .22 LR. Then they can actually learn stuff instead of just hammering bullets low and to left in a B27. However, if you don’t think they’re really interested in guns as a hobby and just want something for home protection, just tell them to get a full size 9mm service pistol. Be a good friend and explain that handgun stopping power is a myth, and there is no significant difference in terminal ballistics between any of the service cartridges.
4. Get a pocket gun because in most self-defense situations you won’t need to shoot.
This one drives me up the wall, but I’ve heard more than a few people say it. The line of reasoning is that since you probably won’t need to shoot your gun, the best idea is to get something that is completely unobtrusive, that you won’t have to put any effort into carrying. The thing that obviously drives me nuts about this is that it kicks off a logical progression that, if followed to its only logical conclusion, says you don’t really need to carry a gun at all ... all you need is a gun-shaped object.
Here’s the problem: what if your gunfight is an actual gunfight? What if you actually need to shoot someone? All of a sudden that little .380 with crappy sights and a heavy trigger isn’t so optimal, is it? No one who’s ever been in a real fight wished they had a smaller gun or less ammo; so why would you intentionally compromise your choices?
3. Get a revolver because they never jam.
This one is a personal pet peeve of mine. I love revolvers. I think they’re great. They’re mechanically interesting, they challenge me as a shooter, and they connect us to history, just a little bit. They also absolutely do fail mechanically, and when they do it frequently requires tools to fix.
I get the reasoning behind this one though, because it assumes the novice is going to want something that is easy to deal with if something goes wrong. Yes, it’s true that if you get a light primer hit on a wheelgun, the fix is simple: pull the trigger. But there are plenty of things that could happen to a wheelgun that aren’t light primer hits, and fixing those is a lot more complicated than “just pull the trigger.” Especially if you can’t pull the trigger, because I’ve seen that happen.
2. Get whatever your local police department uses.
I personally have fallen prey to this one on multiple occasions, because the logic behind it is so appealing. On surface it makes sense, because the odds are that your local PD isn’t going to be carrying some derpy POS around.
But the flip side of that is that a gun selected by a committee that may be largely disinterested in anything other the price, and intended to be carried around on a duty belt for 12 hours a day unconcealed may not be the best choice for concealed carry.
Additionally, political administrators frequently like to saddle their officers with trigger mechanisms that are intended to inhibit negligent discharges, but all they really accomplish making the gun more difficult to shoot should you actually need it.
1. Get whatever feels best in your hand.
This piece of advice however is the worst of them all. It rules the roost of bad gun buying advice, because what you’re asking a newbie with little understand of guns to do is select a piece of life saving equipment based purely on how it feels in your hand.
Let me tell you something, Cochise. There are a lot of aggressively shitty guns that feel wonderful when you hold them, but that can’t get through a box of ammo without crapping out. That’s really the problem.
I’ve had lots of people complain that Glocks don’t “feel good” in their hand. Tough sh**, because they’re awesome. Thankfully, I’ve almost never heard the same thing about M&Ps, which are also awesome, and generally have “feel good.”
But just relying on how a gun “feels” in your hand is the peak of bad advice. It doesn’t inform you on how the gun functions, how accurate it is, how reliable it is, or even if it’s comfortable when you start to actually shoot it. There are guns that feel great when you’re just holding them, but when you start putting rounds down range you discover that recoil changes things. A great example of this is the Ruger SR40, which I generally like, but when I started shooting it a lot, the safety ended up chewing a hole in my hand.
The point of all of this is to not give people bad advice. When someone who isn’t a gun person comes to you for advice, they’re in the awful situation of not knowing what they don’t know; and they’re likely relying on your opinion to steer them in the right direction. What can you do to help them? The best advice possible is to try and get them to take one of the many “introduction” classes, where you don’t need a gun to attend, because the range provides all of that. If that’s not an option, help them pick a reliable, concealable defensive handgun chambered in 9mm. Like a Glock 19. Or an M&P Compact.
Just his $.02 worth. But I see little about which to argue (although I'm sure somebody will find fault with all five points).
Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:31 pm to dawg23
Rule 1: Get whatever you shoot well that has a proven track record
Rule 2: The rest you'll figure out on your own
Rule 2: The rest you'll figure out on your own
Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:33 pm to dawg23
#4 is just......wtf?
And I don't really agree with number one. "Feels good" means much more than how the material of your weapon feels against your skin.
And I don't really agree with number one. "Feels good" means much more than how the material of your weapon feels against your skin.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:34 pm to dawg23
Rule 1: Get a 380 because they are the best.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:34 pm to dawg23
Not sure about the reasoning behind #4 or if I agree with it. Is he saying not to get a pocket gun at all? You get a pocket gun because you can conceal them and carry them a lot easier than other options. I'd rather have any gun no matter how low powered, short on ammo, or crappy heavy trigger... than no gun at all in a gun fight.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:58 pm to DeoreDX
I think he is just saying that you shouldn't compromise quality for an easier carry. Make adjustments and carry something that you know will be reliable if you need to use it.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:13 pm to dawg23
I just come to the OB and see which gun has the most upvotes. That's the way to do it, right?
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:25 pm to dawg23
quote:
Worst Examples of Gun-Buying Advice
Giving a 50 year old woman a S&W 642 for her first gun.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:26 pm to LSURoss
quote:
I just come to the OB and see which gun has the most upvotes. That's the way to do it, right?
Full size 1911s are a bitch to conceal.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:26 pm to dawg23
quote:
They also absolutely do fail mechanically, and when they do it frequently requires tools to fix.
I've shot my S&W revolvers 1000's of times and never once had them not go BANG.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 4:33 pm to dawg23
Buying a woman whos never shot before a snub nosed revolver has to be up there. I cant believe how many people say this.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:31 pm to REB BEER
quote:
I've shot my S&W revolvers 1000's of times and never once had them not go BANG.
exactly, I get what the OP is saying about wheel guns "can" fail, but a quality revolver failing due to anything beyond EXTREME negligence,, (ie dragging it through the mud with cylinder open) just really never happens, and if you do that to a semi-auto you get the same failures... yet they can ALSO jam from a single bad round..
the concept of the wheel gun reliability is pretty sound and sage advice.
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:13 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Rule 2: accuracy means more than firepower.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:14 pm to Shexter
quote:I modified it slightly -- but what you posted is #1 on my personal list.
Giving a ANY woman (including 50 year olds) a S&W 642 (or any other airweight) for her first gun.
Basing recommendations on articles in gun magazines or online reviews would be #2 on my list.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:16 pm to dawg23
#1 is insane because you shouldn't be carrying a gun around until you have the experience and skills to use it. I am all for the second amendment and legally newbs should be allowed to carry, but a responsible gun owner has put in the time and effort to learn the gun.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:21 pm to dnm3305
I get that snub nosed revolvers are harder to shoot accuartely, but aren't the overwhelming majority of self defense situations point blank range?
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:22 pm to dnm3305
quote:
Buying a woman whos never shot before a snub nosed revolver has to be up there. I cant believe how many people say this.
Guilty.
Bought my wife a lady smith in 38.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:33 pm to Jagd Tiger
Yeah, I also disagree with #3. Sure, a revolver CAN fail. A bicycle can fail, but I'd put money on a motorcycle breaking down before a bicycle. I think that's a fair comparison.
If you can't pull the trigger on a revolver to fire another round, then wtf just happened?
The autoloader probably isn't going to function either.
I have no agenda to persuade people to buy a revolver over an auto. I just see #3 as silly. If he had went with the argument that autos have more capacity, or can be reloaded faster and more reliably, I can buy into that.
If you can't pull the trigger on a revolver to fire another round, then wtf just happened?
The autoloader probably isn't going to function either.
I have no agenda to persuade people to buy a revolver over an auto. I just see #3 as silly. If he had went with the argument that autos have more capacity, or can be reloaded faster and more reliably, I can buy into that.
Posted on 2/22/16 at 7:06 pm to Goatofgoats
quote:
I have no agenda to persuade people to buy a revolver over an auto. I just see #3 as silly. If he had went with the argument that autos have more capacity, or can be reloaded faster and more reliably, I can buy into that.
well there's also the thought that if you need more than 3-5 shots you're into "spray and pray" territory, but I agree there are situations when a 14 clip is very preferable.
My advice?
Both,,, the Glock or even a Taurus 9mm is a good enough weapon, with extra mags you've got the "more than one target to bring down" area covered.
Have a wheel gun with speed loaders and know how to use it.
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