- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: 5 Worst Examples of Gun-Buying Advice ??
Posted on 2/22/16 at 7:41 pm to Jagd Tiger
Posted on 2/22/16 at 7:41 pm to Jagd Tiger
Don't misunderstand me, I'd definitely recommend a revolver over an auto to a first time gun buyer. They are just more simple to use. People can easily understand fill the cylinder with bullets and swing it back into the gun. Pull the trigger.
0
Posted on 2/22/16 at 9:59 pm to REB BEER
quote:
I've shot my S&W revolvers 1000's of times and never once had them not go BANG
quote:
exactly, I get what the OP is saying about wheel guns "can" fail, but a quality revolver failing due to anything beyond EXTREME negligence,, (ie dragging it through the mud with cylinder open) just really never happens, and if you do that to a semi-auto you get the same failures... yet they can ALSO jam from a single bad round..
The problem I find can be with ammunition. I've had Ruger LCRs and 642/442s come in with stuck cylinders because the projectiles were not crimped properly.
They walked out just enough to stop the cylinder from rotating.
It's only happened a handful of time in my 10 year stint behind the counter but it's happend.
May be what the writer is illuding to.
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:31 pm to dawg23
quote:
Glocks don’t “feel good” in their hand.
I can't understand that. My G22 feels completely natural in my hand, moreso than many other makes, eg, Baretta, HK. That's actually one of the main things I like about it.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:15 pm to Jagd Tiger
quote:I don't claim to have a great depth of experience with revolvers. But I do know they can malfunction with greater frequency than you suggest.
exactly, I get what the OP is saying about wheel guns "can" fail, but a quality revolver failing due to anything beyond EXTREME negligence,, (ie dragging it through the mud with cylinder open) just really never happens,
Even the experts on this board might learn from the "dual" AAR that was posted recently by Lucky Gunner re a Tom Givens revolver class and a Chuck Haggard, et al, revolver class.
Some of his comments:
quote:
The fact of the matter is that even though revolvers can be very reliable, they’re also prone to some pretty serious issues that don’t affect semi-autos. Just in the past year, I’ve had plenty of revolvers malfunction on me and I’ve also seen people on the range have problems, too.
Problems like…
A frozen cylinder from debris under the extractor star or from out of spec primers.
An extractor rod backing itself out preventing the cylinder from opening.
Multiple light primer strikes.
A shooter being sprayed with bullet fragments from a revolver with severe timing issues.
A Smith and Wesson revolver with a broken cylinder release latch.
A Ruger GP100 that completely stopped working due to a broken cylinder latch.
And several instances of triggers spontaneously dragging or freezing up for undetermined reasons.
And I’m not even going to go through all the user-induced problems like short stroking the trigger or all the different ways you can fumble a reload.
Out of all those issues, only one — the light primer strikes — is easily fixed. You just pull the trigger again. All those other issues, you have to get out the toolbox, or at the very least spend a few minutes messing with the gun, and in some cases, even send it back to the factory.
Of course, semi-autos malfunction too, but the most common problems can be fixed with a simple tap-rack drill that just takes a second. Double feed malfunctions take a little longer to fix, but they’re really not all that common with modern quality pistols using decent ammo.
Over the course of Tom’s one-day revolver class there were plenty of malfunctions on the firing line, and he was sure to point them out every time, emphasizing just how difficult it can be to fix them under pressure.
Just his $.02 worth.
My $.02 is that anything mechanical or electronic can go TU. And Captain Murphy would suggest that if anything can go wrong, it will, at the worst possible time.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 3:07 pm to dawg23
I'm not an expert. I know you are a respected instructor around here, but I still don't respect that list.
List of serious issues that don't affect autos.
1. A frozen cylinder from debris under the extractor star or out of spec primers.
Sure, you won't get debris in the cylinder of an auto.
Will debris not cause problems in an auto?
2. An extractor rod backing itself out preventing the cylinder from opening.
Similar to the magazine release getting stuck on an auto. Probable? No. Possible? Yea.
3. Multiple light primer strikes
Could have with any gun ever made
4. A shooter being sprayed with bullet fragments from a revolver with severe timing issues.
Not an ideal situation, but it's still going bang, and most of the bullet is still going out of the barrel. You are still in the fight against your enemy.
5. Several instances of trigger spontaneously dragging or freezing up for undetermined reasons.
Triggers can freeze up on autos too.
6. All the user induced problems
A. Short stroking the trigger
You can short stroke the trigger on double action autos just as easy, as well as shoot limp risted and get a poor empty ejection.
B. Different ways you fumble a reload
To me, this is the largest benefit of an auto. The speed and ease to which they can be reloaded.
List of serious issues that don't affect autos.
1. A frozen cylinder from debris under the extractor star or out of spec primers.
Sure, you won't get debris in the cylinder of an auto.
Will debris not cause problems in an auto?
2. An extractor rod backing itself out preventing the cylinder from opening.
Similar to the magazine release getting stuck on an auto. Probable? No. Possible? Yea.
3. Multiple light primer strikes
Could have with any gun ever made
4. A shooter being sprayed with bullet fragments from a revolver with severe timing issues.
Not an ideal situation, but it's still going bang, and most of the bullet is still going out of the barrel. You are still in the fight against your enemy.
5. Several instances of trigger spontaneously dragging or freezing up for undetermined reasons.
Triggers can freeze up on autos too.
6. All the user induced problems
A. Short stroking the trigger
You can short stroke the trigger on double action autos just as easy, as well as shoot limp risted and get a poor empty ejection.
B. Different ways you fumble a reload
To me, this is the largest benefit of an auto. The speed and ease to which they can be reloaded.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 5:33 pm to Goatofgoats
quote:Not a problem -- wasn't my list.
but I still don't respect that list.
But I have trained with some of the guys who had input into that list, and know that most of then train over 1000 people every year. So they see, literally, a million rounds fired every year, and have a far better appreciation than most people concerning (a) things that can cause a stoppage, and (b) the frequency with which those stoppages occur.
I think the point the author was trying to make is that any gun can crap out. It's not likely with a quality revolver (or with a quality semi-auto), but we shouldn't pretend that any platform is foolproof.
As for me, I'm simply a student -- and a firm believer in Murphy's laws.
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 6:06 pm
Page 2 of 2
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News