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re: Govm shutting down BP
Posted on 7/14/10 at 8:38 pm to GREENHEAD22
Posted on 7/14/10 at 8:38 pm to GREENHEAD22
BP, MMS, Transocean there is more than enough blame to go around.
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Posted on 7/14/10 at 9:36 pm to Stud
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Greenhead, you sir are 100% correct and I am sorry those guys were killed, but SOMEONE on that crew SHOULD have seen the kick and shut it in WAY before they did (or tried).
Do we know that they didnt try to close the rams in a timeframe that should have shut the well in?
Posted on 7/15/10 at 7:20 am to lsugradman
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Do we know that they didnt try to close the rams in a timeframe that should have shut the well in?
derrickhand contacted driller to notify him of an unusual amount of flow back to the pits. driller told roughneck to go get the toolpusher who was not answering the phone. pusher was taking a shower. finished his shower and got dressed to go back to rig floor when the gas bubble surfaced. driller was waiting on the pusher to make the call. amazing how a simple shower could have been the cause of this disaster.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 7:58 am to GREENHEAD22
Good lord do you know how many industries would be shut down if they had to abide by those rules 
Posted on 7/15/10 at 8:02 am to bayoudude
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derrickhand contacted driller to notify him of an unusual amount of flow back to the pits. driller told roughneck to go get the toolpusher who was not answering the phone. pusher was taking a shower. finished his shower and got dressed to go back to rig floor when the gas bubble surfaced. driller was waiting on the pusher to make the call. amazing how a simple shower could have been the cause of this disaster.
Dang, didnt know all that. You would think when your lives are in danger, people would do the right thing regardless of the bathing habits of their superiors.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 8:31 am to lsugradman
Driller should have closed the BOP when they could not contact the pusher, better safe than srry. Especially with a well like that, which had been giving them problems. Like ive been saying from the get go one change in the long line of things that took for this to happen and this all could have been avoided.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 9:01 am to GREENHEAD22
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Like ive been saying from the get go one change in the long line of things that took for this to happen and this all could have been avoided.
That's usually the case. It was the same deal in the BP refinery explosion.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 9:21 am to LSU0358
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That's usually the case.
Agreed. Thats why the moratorium is just silly. The oil industry is a safe industry, but sometimes things happen if people get complacent and ignore/disregard obvious signs of trouble.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:05 am to GREENHEAD22
Good!
If I spilled a barrel of oil by accident in the GoM, I would be in jail. Where the frick is the punishment for their negligence?
If I spilled a barrel of oil by accident in the GoM, I would be in jail. Where the frick is the punishment for their negligence?
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:20 am to Monkey
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If I spilled a barrel of oil by accident in the GoM, I would be in jail.
no you wouldnt
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:21 am to Monkey
quote:No. You would not. You do not know the regs nor the enforcement process.. Obviously.
If I spilled a barrel of oil by accident in the GoM, I would be in jail. Where the frick is the punishment for their negligence?
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:28 am to lsugradman
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no you wouldnt
Ocean dumping act got repealed?
Posted on 7/15/10 at 10:31 am to Taxing Authority
Monkey, you need to back away from the medicine....the folks that ultimately allowed this to happen are very dead. They received the "Death Penalty" for their carelessness. Read the above posts and responses and you will maybe understand....maybe not, because you seem very angry... 
Posted on 7/15/10 at 12:47 pm to GREENHEAD22
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firmly believe that this administration is really actively trying to end the oil industry, at least domestically. With this and the forced signing of the contracts, see " Not encouraging news" thread, it is clear that they are out not only for BP but for the industry as a whole.
Now THAT'S the dumbest shite ever!
Posted on 7/15/10 at 1:46 pm to SD 71
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the folks that ultimately allowed this to happen are very dead.
I have a slightly different philosophy than you I guess. I believe in personal responsibility. The people that work for me, and yes, people work for me...I am in the end responsible for actions. When an employee of mine fricks up with a customer, well, I am in trouble. If they frick up big enough, we are both out of a job.
You may feel differently, but my philosophy is the guy at the top is in charge for what happens below him.
Now obviously there are exceptions, if one of my employee violates company policy or my instructions - I have a little bit of an out.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 1:49 pm to Monkey
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Monkey
scenario for you:
if you hired a drilling company to drill a water well in your yard and they drilled a well that spilled water into your neighbors yard, washed out his garden and killed his dog, who is the neighbor gonna blame? Who are you gonna blame?
Posted on 7/15/10 at 1:51 pm to tiger91
quote:I agree 100%. People want to point the finger at Bush and his relations with oil companies, what a crock. The tests and warnings were in place, they were just ignored. At some point, people must realize that that individual is to blame. If his employer has taught or trained him to think 1. production then 2. safety, then I can blame those above him as well.
I mean NO DISRESPECT to anyone BUT wasn't there in large part HUMAN ERROR or BAD DECISION MAKING involved here???
If a truck driver was speeding and rolled his tanker truck and huge explosion killed some people, do you think the government would shut down interstate trucking industry?
This post was edited on 7/15/10 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 7/15/10 at 3:58 pm to Frankie Knuckles
Monkey, I guess your last sentence covered this pretty well, I am fairly certain that neither TransOcean or BP had a policy that said "If the well starts flowing let's just watch it blow and see how many people we can kill and how much ocean we can ruin".
There MAY have been design flaws in the well, some shortcuts MAY have been taken, BP MAY have made some errors in judgment, but in the end it was the hands on the floor (that are no longer here, sadly) that let this happen by not watching well conditions and FOLLOWING company procedure in shutting the well in. If they had been paying attention they would have seen the well flowing and shut it in BEFORE it blew out and put everyone in a position where they COULD NOT shut it in.
Kind of like if one of your hands drove a company vehicle drunk and killed someone, should YOU have to go to jail?????
There MAY have been design flaws in the well, some shortcuts MAY have been taken, BP MAY have made some errors in judgment, but in the end it was the hands on the floor (that are no longer here, sadly) that let this happen by not watching well conditions and FOLLOWING company procedure in shutting the well in. If they had been paying attention they would have seen the well flowing and shut it in BEFORE it blew out and put everyone in a position where they COULD NOT shut it in.
Kind of like if one of your hands drove a company vehicle drunk and killed someone, should YOU have to go to jail?????
Posted on 7/15/10 at 4:01 pm to GREENHEAD22
quote:thats why cali is broke,fricking tree hugging hippies.
The House Natural Resources Committee approved Rep. George Miller's (D-Calif) amendment to bar new offshore oil and gas drilling permits to BP "
Posted on 7/15/10 at 5:10 pm to tigerdup07
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derrickhand contacted driller to notify him of an unusual amount of flow back to the pits. driller told roughneck to go get the toolpusher who was not answering the phone. pusher was taking a shower. finished his shower and got dressed to go back to rig floor when the gas bubble surfaced. driller was waiting on the pusher to make the call. amazing how a simple shower could have been the cause of this disaster.
Sorry but this is bullshite! Even a new driller know to shut the damn well in if it's flowing and now wait on instructions from anyone! This driller had years of experience at drilling in this type of enviroment.
It's also bullshite to blame 11 dead men! How do you know when the closed the well in and the BOP failed due to the casing hanger stuck in the stack from the well coming in? BP imo is 90% responsible for the blow out. THEY are the ones that are in charge and make the calls! How was the driller to know that when they got to the point that the well was underbalanced it would kick? They thought it was cemented.
Once the well kicked there was nothing anyone could do it was too late, the BOP didn't work because of drill pipe and casing in the stack and as soon as the rig exploded they had no power to disconnect. I've been told they had 2 minutes to do all these actions.
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