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re: WWII - Japanese garrisons stranded in by-passed territory
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:49 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:49 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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I knew Snafu was from LA, but that is definitely one hell of a coincidence.
Pink and green house up on a hill. You can see it from Hwy 61.
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:04 pm to Oyster
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My Uncle ( Marine in the South Pacific) would ask Tigerfaninsouthland why he was being so nice? The Japanese in WWII earned and deserved every bit of hatred they received. They rarely took POW's and when they did they starved, tortured and often used them for live bayonet practice.
Had two great uncles in the Pacific and later Korea. They said it didn't matter what country they were from, if they had slanted eyes, they were probably getting shot.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:05 pm to SuperSaint
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So it's okay to be a racist frick wad?
Do some reading on the WWII Japanese behavior and it's origins. The Japanese were acting out their feelings of racial superiority. They held Korean slaves at every island in the South Pacific. They used the Korean slaves as building crews for their fortifications. The Koreans were treated by the Japanese like the Germans treated the Jews.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:07 pm to Oyster
Also read up on the Rape of Nanking, by far the worst single atrocity of WWII. I don't lump the Holocaust into that category because the Holocaust took years to occur, the Rape of Nanking happened in a couple weeks. Those frickers would use women and children as shields and strap bombs to em.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:09 pm to prplhze2000
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Oh, I left out the part where when the lines would get close to where our POW's were held, the Japs would butcher and massacre everyone one of them unless we intervened.
The Japanese would also canabalise POW's when rations were low. I've read accounts here they cut portions off of live prisoners keeping them alive as long as they could so the next portion wouldn't spoil in the heat.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:28 pm to Oyster
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The Japanese would also canabalise POW's when rations were low.
Read "Flyboys" by James Bradley.
American (and world) history would be dramatically different if an American submarine hadn't outraced a Japanese patrol boat from Chichi Jima to a downed American TBF pilot named George HW Bush.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:28 pm to Oyster
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The Japanese were acting out their feelings of racial superiority.
I hope that what I am about to say offends nobody, but, today's Japanese absolutely consider their culture, race and their people to be superior to all other races, including the American and European White Race. They don't make a public spectacle over the fact that they consider their race and their culture to be absolutely superior, but, they have never stopped believing this, IMHO.
During WW2, the Japanese military class considered all other races to be utterly without value and fit to be used as bayonet dummies and kick bags. They intentionally inflicted as much human suffering as they could to all subhuman enemies of the Japanese Emperor and they were encouraged to enjoy it.
Even today the Japanese government absolutely refuses to acknowledge any war crimes AND they have placed every Japanese military man that was executed by the Allies for atrocities in the Shinto Shrine of Heaven where all of the Heroes of Japan are worshipped as Shinto deities for all time.
This would be the equivalent of the Catholic Church of Austria or Germany canonizing Adolf Hitler as a Saint of the Roman Catholic Church.
But nobody in the West seems to have a problem with any of this!
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:35 pm to Godfather1
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American (and world) history would be dramatically different if an American submarine hadn't outraced a Japanese patrol boat from Chichi Jima to a downed American TBF pilot named George HW Bush.
Kind of crazy how that stuff can happen.
Like the known incident of a British soldier having Hitler clear in his sights during WW1, but decided to let him go.
(allegedly)
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:35 pm to Oyster
There was a guy in some Philippine island who didn't surrender until the 70's. Only after a retired Japanese major, retired him.
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This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:44 pm to alajones
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Actually, the Soviets didn't start fighting the Japanese until very late in the war. One of the many reasons for dropping the bomb and forcing Japan to surrender was that the Soviets were gobbling up huge chunks of Manchuria.
The soviets invaded Manchuria three days after we bombed Hiroshima, or the same day as Nagasaki (August 9th, 1945). They hadn't even had a toehold in Manchuria by the time Nagasaki was glowing.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 1:57 am to alajones
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Actually, the Soviets didn't start fighting the Japanese until very late in the war.
Actually, they'd been fighting each other over Manchuria up until the summer of 1939. Both got distracted for awhile is all.
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This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 1:58 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 2:44 am to Godfather1
quote:while true, i think the bigger what if is what if JFK was in a little different spot on pt 109 and dies. or if a japanese plane flew in just a different part of the pacific sky and saw them hiding on that island.
American (and world) history would be dramatically different if an American submarine hadn't outraced a Japanese patrol boat from Chichi Jima to a downed American TBF pilot named George HW Bush.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 2:45 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:41 am to Champagne
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During WW2, the Japanese military class considered all other races to be utterly without value and fit to be used as bayonet dummies and kick bags
Not only this, but there are widespread stories of them cutting Allie's dicks off and stuffing them in the mouths of dead Allies.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 6:43 am to alajones
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Actually, the Soviets didn't start fighting the Japanese until very late in the war
Well that's not entirely accurate. The Japanese lanunced an offensive against the Soviets in 1939. The soviets whipped their arse pretty bad and a guy named Zhukov first made a name for himself...
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So how was it the same Soviet army that got its arse whipped so bad by little Finland about that same time, manage to whip the arse of the Japanse army who themselves in just a couple years would whip the arse of both British and American armies? Simple, the Soviet army was trained and equipped to fight a modern combined arms battle (think blitzkreig) while the Japanese army was trained and equipped to fight a linear World War I style battle. And where the the Soviets fought the Japanese was perfect "tank country" that leant itself to combined arms tactics. So in that time and place, the Soviets had the advantage.
However, in 1941-42 when the Japanese Army faced American & British forces and won, it was on terrain where combined arms tactics were not that suited.
One more thing, during WWII the Japanese army, especially early in the war gained a reputation as "experts" in Jungle Warfare. Even to this day many people still attribute great Jungle Warfare skill to the Japanese Soldier of WWII. However, this is a bit of a myth. First off, Japan never had any sort of specialized Jungle Training or Jungle Warfare School. Secondly, there are no Jungles in Japan even if they wanted to do such training. Furthermore, the Japanese had no real experence in Jungle Warfare before 1941-42.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:16 am to Prominentwon
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There's a story somewhere that a Japanese man lived on an island until the 70s (I think) and had no idea the war was over. He surrendered to the people that found him
There were a few holdouts discovered in the 70s. The pictured soldier's comrade was killed in a shootout with the police in 1972 before the pictured guy surrendered in 1974.
I'd imagine there were more holdouts out there who eventually died without ever being discovered.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 7:17 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:32 am to Oyster
Island hopping was a very effective form. Bypass and cut them off - how are they going to fight?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:46 am to GetCocky11
Just try to imagine it from this poor guy's point of view. You've been hiding out for three decades, continuing to wage a war (at least in your mind) against America and her allies, because of your incredible dedication to duty and your Emperor. You haven't heard from anyone in your chain of command for thirty years, but there's no way you're just going to give up. That wouldn't be demonstrating Bushido. So you hide, and wait, and hide, and wait, until finally, at long last, you are discovered. Your discoverers tell you that the war is over, but there's no way you'll believe them, the lying filthy dogs. You refuse to surrender. And then, finally, after decades of silence, your CO shows up - the man who no doubt issued you the order to stay on that island and defend it to the death. And he tells you that, no, no, there's no need for that anymore, the war ended thirty years ago, the Emperor was deposed, and the Americans are now our friends. We don't make war anymore, we specialize in cars and home electronics. Good job, though. If the Emperor were still around he'd be proud.
That shite is fricked up, man.
That shite is fricked up, man.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:49 am to Champagne
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Even today the Japanese government absolutely refuses to acknowledge any war crimes AND they have placed every Japanese military man that was executed by the Allies for atrocities in the Shinto Shrine of Heaven where all of the Heroes of Japan are worshipped as Shinto deities for all time.
The accounts of the atrocities committed in the Rape of Nanking are so gruesome and vile. They went medieval on the Chinese population. Disgusting
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:50 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Just try to imagine it from this poor guy's point of view. You've been hiding out for three decades, continuing to wage a war (at least in your mind) against America and her allies, because of your incredible dedication to duty and your Emperor. You haven't heard from anyone in your chain of command for thirty years, but there's no way you're just going to give up. That wouldn't be demonstrating Bushido. So you hide, and wait, and hide, and wait, until finally, at long last, you are discovered. Your discoverers tell you that the war is over, but there's no way you'll believe them, the lying filthy dogs. You refuse to surrender. And then, finally, after decades of silence, your CO shows up - the man who no doubt issued you the order to stay on that island and defend it to the death. And he tells you that, no, no, there's no need for that anymore, the war ended thirty years ago, the Emperor was deposed, and the Americans are now our friends. We don't make war anymore, we specialize in cars and home electronics. Good job, though. If the Emperor were still around he'd be proud.
That shite is fricked up, man.
Good point except for the emperor part. He was never deposed. He kept this throne.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:01 am to Darth_Vader
Well. So he did. I thought he abdicated. That might honestly make the poor soldier's situation worse, though. "Yes, yes, Onoda, the Emperor did order you to defend him and the Japanese homeland to the death. He was really serious about it at the time, too. But then later he changed his mind, you see. Sorry that you never got the word, everyone was really busy around that time, and you just sort of fell through the cracks."
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