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re: WWII - Japanese garrisons stranded in by-passed territory
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:04 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:04 am to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:I know that there are a lot of stories about this happening on Iwo Jima.
Not only this, but there are widespread stories of them cutting Allie's dicks off and stuffing them in the mouths of dead Allies.
What I find interesting is that there are reports of this same type of mutilation occurring at Little Bighorn, only this time the perpetrators were the Native American women doing it to the soldiers that were killed near the river. Odd that that was either a very common method of cursing the enemy in the afterlife, or that there are closer ties between Native populations and eastern Asian ones than we have realized.
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:08 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Well. So he did. I thought he abdicated.
Yeah, the matter of the Emperor staying was a big point for the Japanese. Even after we dropped the A-bombs and the Soviets declared war, this was the one thing they insisted upon. So we let them keep him as a figurehead. The real guy in charge of Japan after WWII was Gen. Douglas MacArthur.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:37 am to Darth_Vader
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One more thing, during WWII the Japanese army, especially early in the war gained a reputation as "experts" in Jungle Warfare. Even to this day many people still attribute great Jungle Warfare skill to the Japanese Soldier of WWII. However, this is a bit of a myth. First off, Japan never had any sort of specialized Jungle Training or Jungle Warfare School. Secondly, there are no Jungles in Japan even if they wanted to do such training. Furthermore, the Japanese had no real experence in Jungle Warfare before 1941-42.
I think it is more along the lines of their tactics were more suited to a jungle environment than any other...not that they were jungle experts, just that it worked for them.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:53 am to Spaceman Spiff
Island hopping was a brilliant move that saved a lot of lives.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:58 am to Oyster
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:00 am to tigerpimpbot
The Japanese treated prisoners with contempt because their brass believed you fought to the death. On the flip side the Wermacht and Luftwaffe ran German prisions weren't that bad.
No POWs were treated as well as America treated it's POWs.
Most German POWs said they were treated better in prison than in Germany. They had more access to food and were paid better. The US at the time paid POWs equal to what they POW would make if he were a soldier in the US army. So many POWs went back to Germany much heavier and with a few hundred or even thousand bucks in their pockets. General POWs were given their own cottage, officers were treated well too. Since so much was devoted to the actual war, most of the guard duty and overseeing of American POW camps was done by Germans themselves. Even then you had some escapees, one of whom made a good life for himself and then turned himself in, in the 80's on TV.
Meanwhile in Japan they were chopping off dicks and bayoneting people.
No POWs were treated as well as America treated it's POWs.
Most German POWs said they were treated better in prison than in Germany. They had more access to food and were paid better. The US at the time paid POWs equal to what they POW would make if he were a soldier in the US army. So many POWs went back to Germany much heavier and with a few hundred or even thousand bucks in their pockets. General POWs were given their own cottage, officers were treated well too. Since so much was devoted to the actual war, most of the guard duty and overseeing of American POW camps was done by Germans themselves. Even then you had some escapees, one of whom made a good life for himself and then turned himself in, in the 80's on TV.
Meanwhile in Japan they were chopping off dicks and bayoneting people.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:08 am to Napoleon
Just finished Killing Patton and now getting into Killing the Rising Sun. Obviously there were a frick ton of horrific atrocities throughout the two theaters but these frickers and their treatment of women (of all ages) I've found to be among the most disturbing. Hard to read it at times, really.
Nonetheless great books
Nonetheless great books
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:21 am to Napoleon
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Most German POWs said they were treated better in prison than in Germany
My ex's Grandfather was captured in 1943 at the Battle of Kasserine pass where his unit was wiped. Spent the rest of the war in Stalag 3, I believe. His memories and all lend to a different perspective than what some reported, however, and that his camp was not near as bad as people make the German POW camps to be. Sure, he came back much thinner, but the treatment not inhumane.
I've had several discussions with him on this topic before he died. He is now buried in Arlington.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 9:22 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:27 am to Spaceman Spiff
two interesting POW reads...
Ex-POW ends 40 years of hiding in the US. The Not So Great Escape - (most of the men surrendered to get back into the camp)
what struck me as odd, was that civilians who learned about the escapes were the most upset to hear that POWs had access to items that were under ration in the US. For instance POWs had better access to cigarettes and bacon than American civilians did.
Ex-POW ends 40 years of hiding in the US. The Not So Great Escape - (most of the men surrendered to get back into the camp)
what struck me as odd, was that civilians who learned about the escapes were the most upset to hear that POWs had access to items that were under ration in the US. For instance POWs had better access to cigarettes and bacon than American civilians did.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:34 am to Oyster
Two stories . When I was but a wee lad and living in dededo, Guam they found a Japanese holdout hiding in a cave. I have the local newspaper front page in a scrap book somewhere. I remember it took months to coax him out from initial contact and I think they brought his old commander in or something. Second , I had two students (old men) who took conversational English in my class in Japan who were left behind in " Manchuria" or parts thereabouts after the war. Both somehow ended up in a soviet prison camp where they stayed for about a decade. One was one of my favorite students ( rest his soul) and a kind and gracious man .
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:39 am to Napoleon
Great read. Thanks for sharing 
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:11 am to USMCTiger03
Ginger would eat his lunch.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:33 am to theGarnetWay
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1) Because of the battles they had with the USSR
There was no USSR at this time, it was Russia.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:39 am to Champagne
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But nobody in the West seems to have a problem with any of this!
No immigration to their country by non-Japanese as well. They have kept their society and race as "pure" as possible in the PWWII era.
Never apologized for a dammed thing, but our POS went over there to honor the atom bomb memorial.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:50 am to Champagne
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AND if you ask anyone in the current Japanese government, they will tell you that Japan committed no atrocity and no crime during World War 2. They will tell you that the USA provoked the war and then lied about Japan's role in the war. In short, they have the same view of the war as the Democrats.
This the kind of crap. Pulled them out of a pile of dumpshit at the end of WWII, showed them western Capitalism and bought their tin toys, 79cent battery radios and other crap when I was a kid. No credit for any of this to the U.S.
Another example, was the Berlin airlift where the U.S. literally saved West Berlin residents frm starvation with 24 hr day/non-stop flights of food and goods until the USSR finally yielded and gave us a route into W. Berlin.
Two great examples of the BS that is ignored by millenials and Gen-X snowflakes and white guilters. Not all, but their ignorance is rampant on such subjects.
No U.S. then, no world today for you to bitch about.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 11:04 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:56 am to TheTideMustRoll
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That shite is fricked up, man.
You may be right but I find it hilarious
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:56 am to PJinAtl
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I know that there are a lot of stories about this happening on Iwo Jima.
These are not "stories" sir.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:04 am to Oyster
With all the Japanese combatants literally stranded on remote islands, Island hopping was a rather remarkable strategy. These garrisons were left without supply lines or a retreat route. Once by passed it seems like they were as good as dead to the imperial army. They were literally left waiting for a war that never came.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:06 am to Oyster
I'll probably get ripped for this, but am I the only one who thinks these soilders are completely stupid for staying for 30 years??
I get the loyalty aspect of it and carrying out your 'mission' but damn man, after 3 or 4 years of not hearing anything go boom, you'd think these small, efficient frickers would have figured it out
I get the loyalty aspect of it and carrying out your 'mission' but damn man, after 3 or 4 years of not hearing anything go boom, you'd think these small, efficient frickers would have figured it out
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:13 am to Mr. Hangover
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efficient frickers would have figured it out
There was no google then.
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