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re: Will there ever be a baby face as iconic and good as Hulk Hogan
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:04 pm to goldennugget
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:04 pm to goldennugget
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Roman Reigns
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He is pretty much what Hogan used to be Crowd thought Hogan was ultra overrated and such
What crowd? In the 80s?
Hardly anyone thought Hogan was overrated. Hogan was as well liked as anyone in the US. The thing was that wrestling fans were not as sophisticated (and therefore were not as snobbish) as they are today. We didn't care if the guy only had 3 moves.
And they marketed Hogan really well. He rarely wrestled on free TV. Really built up the PPV events. And you'd rarely see the world title decided on free TV.
I watch WWE maybe once or twice a year now. Reigns has the charisma of a turnip. Not in Hogan's league by a longshot as far as star power. But I guess a "star" is defined differently today. I don't get his appeal.
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 3:10 pm
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:04 pm to DelU249
I dont think WWE gets enough respect
Too many people dismiss it as white trash garbage but its a really good product and well run, well promoted
Too many people dismiss it as white trash garbage but its a really good product and well run, well promoted
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:06 pm to goldennugget
to answer your question definitively
no
and it's not just all the stuff talked about. the 80s was just an awesome time. the 80s was the future, but without all of the bullshite that makes everything stale and boring today.
no
and it's not just all the stuff talked about. the 80s was just an awesome time. the 80s was the future, but without all of the bullshite that makes everything stale and boring today.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:10 pm to goldennugget
quote:look, i kind of think the truth is in the middle. it came from rural backwoods areas, and so yeah it's got a rough around the edges following and always will. i don't look down on those people or anyone who watches it.
Too many people dismiss it as white trash garbage
quote:
but its a really good product
i tried getting back into it 10 years ago when i got out of the navy. (matt hardy almost kicked my arse outside the NOLA arena
) because my friend and roommate was super into it...but it just sucked. i could argue they're still making money off of how good it was in the past. they put stone cold and Hogan and old guys on the cover of their video games...because they don't have any stars right now and the product is just boring and niche. quote:
and well run, well promoted
i don't doubt you there, i assume the McMahon family is running it.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:11 pm to DelU249
mehh i grew up in the 80s/90s hogan was big. But he wasnt stone cold big. And cena was what hogan was. The same type of face. Kids love em, adults got tired of him. I remember everyone was bored as fuk with hogan and wanted him to turn heel (same as cena now) Everything grows stale after a while and people get tired of the same old thing and need a change
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:17 pm to Goldrush25
What crowd? In the 80s?
yup. they booked him on late night talk shows and anything outside the industry, but pretty much the whole gimmick was him. he also marketed himself really well.
quote:this is difficult for me to say because i'm pretty sure i hate you, but this is spot on. bret hart couldn't shoulder the load and he's a great wrestler...but he couldn't entertain anyone for shite.
Hardly anyone thought Hogan was overrated. Hogan was as well liked as anyone in the US. The thing was that wrestling fans were not as sophisticated (and therefore were not as snobbish) as they are today. We didn't care if the guy only had 3 moves.
quote:
And they marketed Hogan really well.
yup. they booked him on late night talk shows and anything outside the industry, but pretty much the whole gimmick was him. he also marketed himself really well.
quote:also spot on, but that does ignore the reality of wrestling on tv at the time. it was buried on cable. they didn't really have a showcase. no one was watching usa on sunday morning in the late 80s. it ran next to Hannah barberra cartoons
He rarely wrestled on free TV. Really built up the PPV events. And you'd rarely see the world title decided on free TV.
quote:a star is a star. you know them when you see them. they don't have any stars.
I watch WWE maybe once or twice a year now. Reigns has the charisma of a turnip. Not in Hogan's league by a longshot as far as star power. But I guess a "star" is defined differently today. I don't get his appeal.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:20 pm to oleyeller
quote:completely different media landscape and the product was established on television. i would still put the Austin 3:16 phenomenon in the same stratosphere but give hulk points for doing it when it was harder because of the way the business was at the time (regional) and the media environment.
But he wasnt stone cold big
quote:it took a really long time for Hogan's act to get stale...hulkamania was just a phenomenon. it was everywhere. if you didn't watch wrestling you knew who he was and his gimmick.
I remember everyone was bored as fuk with hogan and wanted him to turn heel (same as cena now) Everything grows stale after a while and people get tired of the same old thing and need a change
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:26 pm to goldennugget
Hogan was a fake POS. I threw a party when Andre ended his first reign, and another one when Warrior ended his 2nd one. I remember when Earthquake squashed him, he was *kayfabe* in the hospital with broken ribs and his buddy (at the time) Tugboat had a letter-writing campaign in an effort to wish him well and boost his spirits. I wrote him a letter telling him he was washed up and should retire. frick him
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:27 pm to goldennugget
Wrestling was so much better as a regional promotion. Mid-South Wrestling, Mid-Atlantic Wrestling, Georgia Championship Wrestling and WCCW out in Texas were all better than the garbage WWE has put out the last decade.
Competition makes everyone better. Coke needs Pepsi and Pepsi needs Coke. Vince McMahon destroyed the territories that made wrestling great and turned wrasslin into sports entertainment. And because he has no competitors, his product can suck but it's still the only game in town, so people spend money to watch it.
Competition makes everyone better. Coke needs Pepsi and Pepsi needs Coke. Vince McMahon destroyed the territories that made wrestling great and turned wrasslin into sports entertainment. And because he has no competitors, his product can suck but it's still the only game in town, so people spend money to watch it.
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:37 pm to DelU249
I have to say without Shawn there to make everyone look good..it wouldn't have been as quality. Shawn did carry the company from the "worker perspective".
And in WWF's pre attitude early and mid 90s somewhat "boring" time, I enjoyed his matches with razor, diesel, 123 Kidd.
Matches with Shawn helped those guys establish themselves as stars. Which counted later.
And in WWF's pre attitude early and mid 90s somewhat "boring" time, I enjoyed his matches with razor, diesel, 123 Kidd.
Matches with Shawn helped those guys establish themselves as stars. Which counted later.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:44 pm to SEClint
Shawn Michaels is perhaps the greatest in-ring performer of all-time, but he's also unquestionably the biggest douche in the history of the business, and that says a lot.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:46 pm to SEClint
yeah, he's probably my favorite performer, and he could make stars and he was one in his own right, but he didn't have the star power to sell out arenas and carry the business. that's not to shite on him, there have only been 2 (maybe 3 if you count the rock)
I think wrestling is interesting because guys like Hogan and Austin...other guys and people behind the scenes made him a star just as much as he made himself one. at the same time, guys like Hogan and Austin have an "it" factor others do not
a higher ceiling if you will
I think wrestling is interesting because guys like Hogan and Austin...other guys and people behind the scenes made him a star just as much as he made himself one. at the same time, guys like Hogan and Austin have an "it" factor others do not
a higher ceiling if you will
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:47 pm to SuicideSlushPuppie
Jim Cornette's rant against Shawn Michaels on YouTube is a thing of beauty.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:49 pm to SCLibertarian
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And because he has no competitors, his product can suck but it's still the only game in town, so people spend money to watch it.
1. the height of the business was when he had another national competitor not regional ones.
2. I think he would probably agree with you. I understand he has made the different shows like different organizations to compete. that idea is stupid, but the motivation seems to be a validation of what you're saying.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:52 pm to SCLibertarian
quote:I've seen that guy on youtube. honestly what I thought watching him film in shitty apartment while talking shite about successful people (not saying he's wrong either)
Jim Cornette
"man, that guy is a loser"
Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:58 pm to DelU249
quote:
the height of the business was when he had another national competitor not regional ones.
I agree with you, I just loved the old school wrasslin over anything WWE has put out since the Attitude Era. Yeah I'm a dinosaur.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:01 pm to SCLibertarian
we like what we like
the point is competition is good. the late 90s was a huge time for it in mainstream pop culture at a time when I thought that would be impossible.
stressed and worried people take risks, push the envelope. it won't be popular like that again when they're content to play it safe (like they did when I stopped watching...when bret hart was their top draw)
bret hart, like him...but he just didn't have "it" he was a draw, but he should have never been THE draw
the point is competition is good. the late 90s was a huge time for it in mainstream pop culture at a time when I thought that would be impossible.
stressed and worried people take risks, push the envelope. it won't be popular like that again when they're content to play it safe (like they did when I stopped watching...when bret hart was their top draw)
bret hart, like him...but he just didn't have "it" he was a draw, but he should have never been THE draw
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:02 pm to DelU249
Cornette is the best mic talker this side of Jake Roberts. He was great as a manager for the Midnight Express, Heavenly Bodies and Yokozuna.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:05 pm to SCLibertarian
i have no doubt, all i can tell you is he's the hulk Hogan of losers
i don't know what "it" is, but he has it
i don't know what "it" is, but he has it
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:05 pm to DelU249
quote:
also spot on, but that does ignore the reality of wrestling on tv at the time. it was buried on cable. they didn't really have a showcase. no one was watching usa on sunday morning in the late 80s. it ran next to Hannah barberra cartoons
Hell I was. My love for WWF in the 80s was unparalleled. I used to miss All-American Wrestling because often I'd have to go to church while it was on. I think that's part of why I developed a disdain for religion.
Prime Time wrestling, the predecessor to Raw, WWF Superstars, All-American Wrestling, I used to watch every show. Saturday Night Main Event and the Main Event were great, you'd get PPV type matches for free.
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 4:11 pm
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