re: Will or can Scientology be destroyed.

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except for your omission that they can all leave. To my knowledge, nobody is being kept in the religion against their will

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You sure about that?


Gold Base fence blades face both directions


The Hole

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The Hole is the unofficial nickname of a facility operated by the Church of Scientology on Gold Base, its compound near the town of Hemet in Riverside County, California.[1] Dozens of its senior executives have reportedly been confined within the building for months or years.

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Everyone and Everything under the sun has committed evil acts. The difference between the two is not timing. Solid Philosophical arguments for validity are the difference.

Put together a list of all the irrational and hateful shite you're supposed to believe as a Christian. Now start that religion tomorrow.

You don't think it would catch the same amount of shite as Scientology?

That's what I mean when i say the only difference is timing. Scientology has to put their messiah under the microscope of the modern world. All we know about Jesus was written by his supporters over 2000 years ago.

Seriously?

Irrational beliefs:
Mary is a virgin.
Jesus died for three days but came back to life.
Mary ascended to heaven.
Eve was created out of the rib bone of Adam.
You're eating the literal body and blood of Christ when you take communion.

The list goes on.

Hateful beliefs:
Slavery is ok.
Homosexuality is a sin and should be punished if you act on your homosexuality.
Nonbelievers, the sexually immoral (whatever that means), liars and idolaters all burn in hell.

I'm sure I'm missing a couple.

ETA: You're not a salad bar Christian, are you?

Irrational is not debatable. By definition, everything I listed (and many more things I haven't) are not rational. They are illogical. Make no sense. Etc. Etc. You're glossing over the irrational argument as not a crux because you know there's no defense.

How can you sit there and tell me with a straight face that the treatment of homosexuals by the Church is anything but hateful?

Same goes for nonbelievers and the sexually immoral. Believe what we tell you or burn in eternal flame. You don't consider that hateful?

Yes it is because your belief is also irrational. Your unbelief in of itself is a choice.

What treatment of homosexuals are you referring to?

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The Hole

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For those that think this shite isnt a cult, they need to read this in its entirety. Holy shite I knew alot of these leaders were whackjobs but that is downright insane.

Im personally not a fan of any certain religion or faith and have no problem with anyone practicing what they believe. But when you are assaulting people and forcing them to basically live in a war camp, there are problems here.

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According to Marc and Claire Headley, two Scientologists who left the Church in 2005, residents at the base are not permitted to leave without the permission of a supervisor and have to work at least 16 hours a day, from 8 am to past midnight, with shorter hours on Sundays and little time for socialising. Communications with the outside world are effectively cut off; cellphones and Internet access are generally banned, mail is censored and passports are kept in a locked filing cabinet. The perimeter of the base is closely guarded around the clock. It is ringed with high fences that are topped with spikes and razor wire and monitored by inward-facing motion sensors to detect anyone trying to climb out of the compound. The Tampa Bay Times reported that dozens of workers tried to escape from the base – some of them repeatedly – but were caught and returned by Sea Org "pursuit teams". The escapees are said to have been subjected to isolation, interrogation and punishment on their return to the compound.

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From that same link you reposted.


Also....Scientology basically makes believers rat out their family members. For example if you and your spouse are both Scientologists and your spouse begins to voice doubts about Scientology and raise questions about it...you MUST file a report on your spouse to the headquarters for investigation. Because your spouse merely raised doubts...they can be seen as an enemy of the church. If you don't file a report against your spouse...you can be seen as an enemy as well for not making the report.


Many Scientologists have NO IDEA some of the stuff that really goes on. If they live in those compounds...they have no internet access to the outside world. One guy living in such a compound was given a Kindle from his wife(one of the really older ones that was not also a tablet). He figured out that you can actually access the internet from his kindle(something Scientology officials at the compound didn't know...or they would have never let him have the kindle). He googled Scientology just because he wanted to read about all the wonderful things the church has done all over the world. Instead his search popped up several articles about abuse and families torn apart, etc. This simple search opened his eyes to the truth about the church and led to him and his wife eventually planning their escape from the church.

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The Church condemns homosexuality, correct? The Bible says that you will burn in eternal hell (the most severe punishment) for acting on that homosexuality, correct?

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what about Churches that accept even ordain gays

the strong anti homosexual stuff comes from old testament almost exclusively,, which also contains dietary habits that I dont know one Church enforces

See you are putting up a guard. I'm not trying to convert you, I am simply informing you that both the belief and unbelief in God can be considered irrational. That was the argument you made and I simply showed you the error of that argument(they are either both rational or both irrational). I believe they are both rational due 2000 years of philosophical arguments that are logically sound for the existence of God and against the existence of God.

But do you see what I said their, "I believe", ahh so that is also a matter of faith.