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re: Will George R Martin ever finish Winds of Winter? Releasing another story
Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:30 pm to cupchu1
Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:30 pm to cupchu1
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Edit: Not to steal the thread, but how many of you that feel entitled to GRRM writing at breakneck speed refer to millenials as the "entitled generation"? Just curious.
Breakneck? He's gone from averaging two years between books to 5-7 years.
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Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:38 pm to BluegrassBelle
So you're entitled to him writing at a speed that isn't breakneck, but quicker than he does, got it, thanks.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:40 pm to cupchu1
If the fat lazy frick wants my money he can deal with my criticism.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 12:50 pm to cupchu1
He started writing in 1991. This is hardly breakneck. The fact is he spends a lot of time not writing. That is his choice but it doesn't shelter him from criticism. He misses deadline after deadline. He takes advantage of his popularity, something many authors could never afford to do. ETA: I also wonder when books blow up in popularity if the authors and publishers think we need more, more, more when we really just want quality. I think he'd have been better off finishing it in 3-4 books and moving on to a different story. He'd likely be happier, too. He is one of my favorite authors and I would love to see more from him besides ASOIAF.
And like Belle and others mentioned before, he's a dick when that's pointed out.
I don't expect him to ever finish and I'm not sure he expects to. It's one of the reasons I think he let HBO have it when he had so much story left to tell. I haven't loved every change they've made from the books but what they've done the last 2 seasons equals GRRM's writing (maybe surpasses it in some instances). I feel like I'll be satisfied with HBO's ending and will consider it a bonus if either of the last two books are released.
And like Belle and others mentioned before, he's a dick when that's pointed out.
I don't expect him to ever finish and I'm not sure he expects to. It's one of the reasons I think he let HBO have it when he had so much story left to tell. I haven't loved every change they've made from the books but what they've done the last 2 seasons equals GRRM's writing (maybe surpasses it in some instances). I feel like I'll be satisfied with HBO's ending and will consider it a bonus if either of the last two books are released.
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:01 pm to cupchu1
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So you're entitled to him writing at a speed that isn't breakneck, but quicker than he does, got it, thanks.
Two or three years to produce a book in a series isn't "breakneck". Jane Austen produced Sense and Sensibility, Pride and Prejudice, Manfield Park, and Emma within a 4 year span in the early 1800s. Charles Dickens produced A Tale of Two Cities and Great Expectations within a 3 years span. Stephen King produced the Dark Tower series from 1978-1981 and wrote Carrie, Salem's Lot, The Shining, Cujo, The Running Man, and Pet Cemetery from 1974-83.
Now that's what I'd call breakneck speed. And no, I don't expect that from GRRM.
You sound like one of those Westeros.org sycophants that get their panties in a bundle whenever someone mentions they'd like to not have to wait 7 years between books. Get the frick over yourself.
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:23 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Not done yet, but I’ve made progress. But not as much as I hoped a year ago, when I thought to be done by now.
I think it will be out this year. (But hey, I thought the same thing last year).
This apparently recent quote by Martin sums it up pretty well. He's taken all of us fans for a ride and continuously leading us on only to push back expectations.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:24 pm to Peazey
He will never finish it. It's how he will stay relevant until he dies.
Season 7 spoilers are all over the net anyways,and it's obvious how season 8 plays out. The story is over.
I'm referring to ADoS/ATfW or whatever he is calling it..the final book. 25% of tWoW is already released anyways
Season 7 spoilers are all over the net anyways,and it's obvious how season 8 plays out. The story is over.
I'm referring to ADoS/ATfW or whatever he is calling it..the final book. 25% of tWoW is already released anyways
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:26 pm to BluegrassBelle
Yes, saying breakneck speed was hyperbolic, thank you.
No, I just genuinely do not understand how worked up and cynical people get about his writing pace. He doesn't owe anyone anything, yet there's always a "hurry the frick up you money hungry pig" group. I guess I'm just at peace with the fact that it's his magnum opus and not mine, so his pace doesn't bother me at all.
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You sound like one of those Westeros.org sycophants that get their panties in a bundle whenever someone mentions they'd like to not have to wait 7 years between books. Get the frick over yourself.
No, I just genuinely do not understand how worked up and cynical people get about his writing pace. He doesn't owe anyone anything, yet there's always a "hurry the frick up you money hungry pig" group. I guess I'm just at peace with the fact that it's his magnum opus and not mine, so his pace doesn't bother me at all.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:29 pm to GermantownTiger
Cant wait. I'll buy it.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:29 pm to Peazey
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This apparently recent quote by Martin sums it up pretty well. He's taken all of us fans for a ride and continuously leading us on only to push back expectations.
You could also not be cynical and consider he is not a good evaluator of his writing pace, nor is he good at meeting deadlines. Which is an entirely plausible explanation.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:33 pm to ALLin4LSU
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I also wonder when books blow up in popularity if the authors and publishers think we need more, more, more when we really just want quality. I think he'd have been better off finishing it in 3-4 books and moving on to a different story. He'd likely be happier, too. He is one of my favorite authors and I would love to see more from him besides ASOIAF.
I could be wrong but I believe he realized early on that his story could not be told in as few as 3-4 books. But he decided it, not the publisher.
GRRM has written loads of other works. I suggest you look into Dunk and Egg, A Song for Lya, Wyndhaven, Dying of the Light, and Tuf Voyaging.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:38 pm to cupchu1
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You could also not be cynical and consider he is not a good evaluator of his writing pace, nor is h
You are the one who is being cynical by refusing to admit that his continuously moving back deadlines and going back on his word is frustrating. When someone continuously says that they are going to do something and when goes back on it a person starts not to trust that person anymore. Except for you of course because you are so virtuous and better than the rest of us because you are immune to frustration and never get annoyed when you are lied to.
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:42 pm to GermantownTiger
He'll die before TWoW is finished.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:45 pm to Peazey
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You are the one who is being cynical by refusing to admit that his continuously moving back deadlines and going back on his word is frustrating. When someone continuously says that they are going to do something and when goes back on it a person starts not to trust that person anymore. Except for you of course because you are so virtuous and better than the rest of us because you are immune to frustration and never get annoyed when you are lied to.
That's not what cynical means. Also GRRM admits he's bad at deadlines and tries not to give them. This year he said he hopes to have it done by the end of the year, but admits he thought the same thing last year. That's very forthcoming in my opinion. It would be much easier to give a date, miss it, give another date, etc.
I'm not virtuous and do get annoyed when I'm lied to, I just don't take GRRM's hope to finish by a certain time as a binding promise.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:50 pm to Ace Midnight
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And, this meticulousness is not making the finished product any better, IMHO
It just gives him time to create more minor, uninteresting characters and water down the plot. I lost interest in his books a while ago.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 1:53 pm to Tigris
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It just gives him time to create more minor, uninteresting characters and water down the plot. I lost interest in his books a while ago.
A fair critique as of now. What book lost your interest? Brienne in AFFC?
Posted on 2/4/17 at 2:15 pm to cupchu1
quote:I know and I've read the ones that appeal to me, some more than once. As I mentioned upthread I loved Dunk and Egg and I hope HBO gets their hands on it. I think it would translate well to TV.
I could be wrong but I believe he realized early on that his story could not be told in as few as 3-4 books. But he decided it, not the publisher.
GRRM has written loads of other works. I suggest you look into Dunk and Egg, A Song for Lya, Wyndhaven, Dying of the Light, and Tuf Voyaging.
quote:Right. That was my point with the 3-4 novels versus 7. I think he strayed from his original vision. He said he's always known how the story would end. I feel he's too caught up in the journey.
It just gives him time to create more minor, uninteresting characters and water down the plot
Posted on 2/4/17 at 2:25 pm to ALLin4LSU
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I know and I've read the ones that appeal to me, some more than once. As I mentioned upthread I loved Dunk and Egg and I hope HBO gets their hands on it. I think it would translate well to TV.
Got it. I agree, everyone seemed to love the Hound and Arya in season four. Dunk and Egg would have a similar premise, though Dunk is very different from the Hound.
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Right. That was my point with the 3-4 novels versus 7. I think he strayed from his original vision. He said he's always known how the story would end. I feel he's too caught up in the journey.
I get what you're saying here, but GRRM writes for the journey. His wife has said that if he started a story and thinks it all the way through, he'd never get around to writing it because it's no longer interesting to him. Very much in line with his gardener rather than architect approach to writing.
To be honest the reason people get so frustrated with his writing is because he does it gardening style, which is incredibly difficult to maintain control of.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 2:38 pm to ALLin4LSU
Mozart would crank out a symphony already finished in his head on the first draft. Beethoven would rewrite the same line over and over and over.
Who was better?
Who was better?
Posted on 2/4/17 at 2:41 pm to cupchu1
The way I look at it, Martin is at the age where he is finally enjoying the fruits of his labor from the previous 30 years of writing. He's gone from fanboy-dom to mainstream popularity, and I would think that that would be a big deal to a writer's ego.
Nevertheless, I'd put money on it that he's currently playing everyone--he probably has everything wrapped up and finished, sitting in a vault somewhere.
Nevertheless, I'd put money on it that he's currently playing everyone--he probably has everything wrapped up and finished, sitting in a vault somewhere.
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