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Why is Julius Caesar looked upon so fondly by history?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:27 pm
Caesar was a dirty politician who took offices, wives, and friends just for political gain, bribed people for votes, and broke laws and traditions left and right. He broke countless laws and rules as Consul, and once it was time for him to stand for all the laws he broke he instead had it arranged for him to be sent off to Gaul where he conquered a whole civilization pretty much just for fame and popularity. Once he achieved his goal and had the support of his legions, instead of owning up to his previous illegal actions as Consul he started a civil war, over threw the Republic, and established himself as Dictator, I mean that's pretty much what Vladimir Lenin did.
Most people in history who have done this are looked at as power hungry sociopathic terrible people, yet Caesar is probably the most famous ruler of all time, and one of the most well regarded. And while his assassination is looked at as the ultimate example of treachery, wasn't it really just people trying to keep their country that had always been a Republic from becoming a Dictatorship?
I mean he overthrew a Republic, which is what America is, and he gets mostly praise and admiration for it today.
ETA; Lenin not Lennon......
Most people in history who have done this are looked at as power hungry sociopathic terrible people, yet Caesar is probably the most famous ruler of all time, and one of the most well regarded. And while his assassination is looked at as the ultimate example of treachery, wasn't it really just people trying to keep their country that had always been a Republic from becoming a Dictatorship?
I mean he overthrew a Republic, which is what America is, and he gets mostly praise and admiration for it today.
ETA; Lenin not Lennon......
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 7:30 pm
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:29 pm to Tiger1242
quote:paul trotsky was the talented one
that's pretty much what Vladimir Lennon did
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:30 pm to Tiger1242
Most people are not aware of his actions, just the name and the association with Rome.
I wouldn't say he gets praise, necessarily, but is simply known.
I wouldn't say he gets praise, necessarily, but is simply known.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:30 pm to Tiger1242
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Caesar was a dirty politician who took offices, wives, and friends just for political gain, bribed people for votes, and broke laws and traditions left and right.
Just like our shithead politicians
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:30 pm to Tiger1242
I think he is mostly remember as a skilled military commander and leader. As a politician, he was a scumbag that is why he was stabbed to death on the Senate floor.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:30 pm to Tiger1242
quote:Over here in America, we re-elect these people all the time.
Caesar was a dirty politician who took offices, wives, and friends just for political gain, bribed people for votes, and broke laws and traditions left and right. He broke countless laws and rules...
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:31 pm to Tiger1242
He had a great salad.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:31 pm to Kafka
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quote: that's pretty much what Vladimir Lennon did
paul trotsky was the talented one
I LOL'd hard at this
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:31 pm to Tiger1242
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:31 pm to Kafka
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paul trotsky was the talented one
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:32 pm to Tiger1242
Shakespeare
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:33 pm to Kafka
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:37 pm to WeeWee
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I think he is mostly remember as a skilled military commander and leader. As a politician, he was a scumbag that is why he was stabbed to death on the Senate floor.
Which is funny because before he did much of note in the military he had already been Tribune, Quaestor, Pontifex Maximus, and Consul. He really took the Governorship in Gaul in order to prove that he was more than just a politician and conquered them for fame and popularity as well as recognition as a great general
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:37 pm to Tiger1242
1. Julius Caesar was a dictator yes, but he was a good dictator who put through many important reforms that benefited the people (not the rich who would later kill him). He put forth many land reforms and fixed the calendar which is almost the same one we use today.
2. Caesar believed in clemency towards his enemies. He could have killed all of his political rivals as was the trend set before by Sulla and Marius. This eventually got Caesar killed. Augustus, the first emperor of Rome, learned that lesson and made sure all of his enemies were pushing up daisies. Caesar was very harsh, however, to the Gauls who went back on their word and revolted. Had they not revolted, they would not have had to pay such a harsh penalty.
3. As a general he was a genius and his battle strategies are still studied in military academies to this day.
4. If you look at the big picture, he had no option other than to take power. His enemies had forced his hand and they thought he would back down. They were wrong.
People make the mistake of assuming all dictators are bad. A dictator is sometimes necessary when the system does not work. The Roman Republic was designed to manage a city, not an empire. If it weren't for Julius Caesar, Rome would not have lasted another 500 years.
2. Caesar believed in clemency towards his enemies. He could have killed all of his political rivals as was the trend set before by Sulla and Marius. This eventually got Caesar killed. Augustus, the first emperor of Rome, learned that lesson and made sure all of his enemies were pushing up daisies. Caesar was very harsh, however, to the Gauls who went back on their word and revolted. Had they not revolted, they would not have had to pay such a harsh penalty.
3. As a general he was a genius and his battle strategies are still studied in military academies to this day.
4. If you look at the big picture, he had no option other than to take power. His enemies had forced his hand and they thought he would back down. They were wrong.
People make the mistake of assuming all dictators are bad. A dictator is sometimes necessary when the system does not work. The Roman Republic was designed to manage a city, not an empire. If it weren't for Julius Caesar, Rome would not have lasted another 500 years.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:38 pm to Tiger1242
et tu, Tiger1242?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:42 pm to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:44 pm to Tiger1242
I would argue Caesar was not remembered fondly. He was the foremost dictator of the Western classical world
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:45 pm to CunningLinguist
Cincinattus = GOAT
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:45 pm to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
That photo was taken on March 15th.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:46 pm to RollTide1987
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Julius Caesar was a dictator yes, but he was a good dictator who put through many important reforms that benefited the people (not the rich who would later kill him).
He could and did do this as Consul
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2. Caesar believed in clemency towards his enemies. He could have killed all of his political rivals as was the trend set before by Sulla and Marius. This eventually got Caesar killed
Yea this part is true, unfortunately history shows lenience is not a good policy after taking power, Sulla's way is probably better (for the dictator)
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Caesar was very harsh, however, to the Gauls who went back on their word and revolted. Had they not revolted, they would not have had to pay such a harsh penalty.
Meh, he wanted to conquer them
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3. As a general he was a genius and his battle strategies are still studied in military academies to this day.
True, one of the reason they are so studied and well known though is that he made sure to keep detailed records so everyone would know of his success
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4. If you look at the big picture, he had no option other than to take power. His enemies had forced his hand and they thought he would back down. They were wrong.
He gave himself no option by constantly ignoring rules, guidelines, and precedents that had been around for centuries. I agree he did a lot of good, and broke a lot of laws in order to do good things for the people, but his enemies "forced his hand" because he had made them enemies by continuously defying them
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