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re: Why don’t people know SCOTUS Roe vs Wade reversal is NOT about abortion rights?

Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:40 pm to
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13371 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:40 pm to
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UndercoverBryologist


man the Supreme Court just shite all over that argument.

legal scholars > UndercoverBryologist

stick to posting science articles and weird shite
Posted by KLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
10356 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:40 pm to
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To tie this back into a 2nd amendment question, would having “red flag” laws which allow someone’s guns to be taken from them without a hearing or ability to argue be considered loss of property without due process


It’s not constitutional and will be struck down as well as soon as it’s challenged.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43439 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:41 pm to
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This thread is full of people who believe that as humans they start with no rights of any kind and that government is all powerful, to the point that all rights must be granted by positive grant of government.

That’s worse than communism ever was.



Nice of you to agree that you think there should be limitations to the right to bear arms, but not limitations to the right to an abortion.

At least you're consistent with your blatant fricking hypocrisy.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22725 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:41 pm to
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This thread is full of people who believe that as humans they start with no rights of any kind and that government is all powerful, to the point that all rights must be granted by positive grant of government. That’s worse than communism ever was.


The decision on this case literally said that the federal govt lacked the inherent power to regulate on this issue without further legislation being passed. It limit the federal power, not increased it.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
67051 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:41 pm to
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You people are slaves. Unbelievable.


says the angry progressive as he spouts off talking points directly from the MSM (which have been debunked on here a dozen times over today alone)
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7928 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:41 pm to
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Idiots who believed Roe was good law because it permitted abortion while trying to claim that everyone doesn’t need guns. Which covers quite a bit of the left in general.


These folks have no reasoning for how they arrive at their positions and have no respect for due process or institutions and the legal process.

It is a simple, room temperature IQ process for these folks: Outcome I like then process or institution good and the opposite if outcome I do not like.

Braindead morons like this should be immediately dismissed.
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
948 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:42 pm to
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People like TBoy can’t grasp this fact.

TBoy, if you want abortion as a right at the federal level then there is a process for this. Make it happen.


Does consensual sex between adults need to codified as a right at the federal level?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43439 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:43 pm to
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Does consensual sex between adults need to codified as a right at the federal level?


It helps if you stay on topic.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96742 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:43 pm to
Pretty much. And the result of the NY case last week should fast track any challenge to this because they shut down the method that NY state and numerous circuits were using to try and ignore Heller.
Posted by Btrtigerfan
Disgruntled employee
Member since Dec 2007
21691 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:43 pm to
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Okay, so unlike the OP, you admit it is about abortion


The lower courts made a ruling on a civil issue that was about abortion. Fine. It kept getting appealed for political reasons until it reached the highest court that also wrongly agreed to uphold the lower courts decisions.

At no time did this SCOTUS, argue women's reproductive rights, body parts, babies, or fetuses. They argued the fact that they had jurisdiction in the SCOTUS. They ruled, no.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
156075 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:43 pm to
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People are dumb.


Should’ve been aborted

Ho-ho
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:43 pm to
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man the Supreme Court just shite all over that argument.


It’s almost like the SCOTUS is made up of fallible men and women who decisions may one day be reversed depending on who finds what argument more pursuasive.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9666 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:43 pm to
OK, so let's say my now ex-gf just wants to mess with me and calls the police, says I'm a threat, and they come and get my grandfather's shotgun that I inherited. Do I now have to hire an attorney and go to court to get it back so I can go hunting this fall?
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 7:44 pm
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
948 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:44 pm to
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It helps if you stay on topic.


I am staying on topic. We are discussing rulings based on where a right exists if it not enumerated specifically in the Constitution.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:44 pm to
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So you are saying I have no rights, other than the handful in the constitution

The Constitution of the United States gives you precisely ZERO rights. It enumerates the federal government's power and reserves all unenumerated powers to the separate states.

The Bill of Rights specifically is a series of prohibitions on the government to protect the inalienable rights that people have simply by existing.

That you think it gives you anything you weren't born with speaks volumes about your inability to comprehend the written word and your desire to be controlled.
Posted by ddbnsb
Raised in New Orleans
Member since Dec 2005
3325 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:44 pm to
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Is there anywhere in constitution or bill of rights that protect abortion?


Wasn't abortion not unusual then? They probably didn't feel it needed to be addressed.

Posted by Floyd Dawg
Silver Creek, GA
Member since Jul 2018
4002 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:44 pm to
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This thread is full of people who believe that as humans they start with no rights of any kind and that government is all powerful, to the point that all rights must be granted by positive grant of government.


Which, of course, is the exact opposite of how the Constitution actually works. Liberals decry it because they see it as a charter of negative liberties, meaning it tells government what they CAN’T do rather than what they can do.
Posted by KLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
10356 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:45 pm to
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Does consensual sex between adults need to codified as a right at the federal level?


Damn you people. If it’s not a federal constitutional right then it’s states issue. If the state decided it was unconstitutional at a state level then yes it would be against the law.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 7:46 pm
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:45 pm to
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OK, so let's say my now ex-gf just wants to mess with me and calls the police, says I'm a threat, and they come and get my grandfather's shotgun that I inherited. Do I now have to hire an attorney and go to court to get it back so I can go hunting this fall?



You’re being denied liberty without due process. It’s a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment. Neither the Federal or State governments have that power.
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7928 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:46 pm to
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This thread is full of people who believe that as humans they start with no rights of any kind and that government is all powerful, to the point that all rights must be granted by positive grant of government.

That’s worse than communism ever was.


If you want a right to abortion, there is a mechanism to have an amendment ratified. Get after it.

If there is political will and the people want it, you should be able to easily pass an amendment granting a right to abortion.

You won't do a damn thing but whine on a message board from your basement.
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