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re: Why can't free market determine things anymore?
Posted on 3/19/16 at 7:47 am to Warfarer
Posted on 3/19/16 at 7:47 am to Warfarer
Again, nobody has answered me except a remark about allergies to chicken. Where is the line drawn at for a free market? If I own a private ambulance service and hate mexicans, and they call my ambulance b/c their child has an injury and is about to die and they get rejected. Do they just wait for the free market to work itself out knowing eventually my ambulance service will shut down and someone will come get their child? If your mom is driving through Pumpkinville, TX and her car breaks down and the only tow truck driver and mechanic within 100 miles is black and he refuses to help her since she is white, does she feel good knowing one day the free market will work itself out?
Same thing I said earlier about food store in rural area, grocery store or whatever. Its a private business, the grocery store, gas station, auto glass shop, etc, if those are the only options and refuse to service blacks, then what? What if the free market in Pumpkinville TX never does work itself out, do the blacks just have to pack up and move somewhere else?
Same thing I said earlier about food store in rural area, grocery store or whatever. Its a private business, the grocery store, gas station, auto glass shop, etc, if those are the only options and refuse to service blacks, then what? What if the free market in Pumpkinville TX never does work itself out, do the blacks just have to pack up and move somewhere else?
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Posted on 3/19/16 at 8:56 am to MightyYat
Yea i agree. Without that wheelchair ramp he wouldnt be able to roll himself into an outdoor store to buy all of the latest hiking gear, trekking poles, and a nice shiny pair of boots to sling over his shoulder since he cant wear them. Im sure he'll spend a ton of money in their for his next fricking wheelchair accessible mountain climbing trip!
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:10 am to dnm3305
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Yea i agree. Without that wheelchair ramp he wouldnt be able to roll himself into an outdoor store to buy all of the latest hiking gear, trekking poles, and a nice shiny pair of boots to sling over his shoulder since he cant wear them. Im sure he'll spend a ton of money in their for his next fricking wheelchair accessible mountain climbing trip!
Or he wanted to take his grandson in to help him shop but couldn't get in. Do they say everyone except an outdoor store needs wheelchair ramps? I had to have one for a glass shop and I didn't mind paying for it one bit. I mean, I guess he could take his grandson to the other outdoor shop 300 miles away. As I"m typing this not long ago there what appeared to be a dad who had child with I"m guessing cerebral palsy who was in a wheelchair strolling through downtown. Would that dad just tie daughter up to a post outside to go in there and shop?
ETA: Its easy to say all that, but if you one day find yourself in a position and wheelchair bound, I imagine it would suck when 90% of businesses you can't get into b/c they didn't wanna pay for it to be wheelchair accessible.
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Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:11 am to Warfarer
What do you mean? Have you priced an 8-ball of coke recently?
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:16 am to Warfarer
These issues that you think the free market will fix, what you are actually saying is that social media will fix. Well, these issues have been around for a century while social media has only been around for a decade, so that's why things are the way they are.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:35 am to windshieldman
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Where is the line drawn at for a free market? If I own a private ambulance service and hate mexicans, and they call my ambulance b/c their child has an injury and is about to die and they get rejected. Do they just wait for the free market to work itself out knowing eventually my ambulance service will shut down and someone will come get their child?
Not sure how private ambulance drivers are paid (whether a sub contractor of public works which I would assume as dispatch is usually linked with it) therefore they can't deny service and couldn't. At least I would think this would be the case.
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If your mom is driving through Pumpkinville, TX and her car breaks down and the only tow truck driver and mechanic within 100 miles is black and he refuses to help her since she is white, does she feel good knowing one day the free market will work itself out?
no she doesn't feel good but that is what it is. Because something doesn't make you feel good doesn't mean that we need the government to step in and regulate it. Sometimes hurt feelings are just hurt feelings.
There is actually a restaurant I was reading about within the last year that is still refusing to serve blacks because the entire town is white and they are scared that if they serve a black that people will refuse to come eat there. I tried finding the article again but can't, keep seeing one in South Carolina that refuses service.
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What if the free market in Pumpkinville TX never does work itself out, do the blacks just have to pack up and move somewhere else?
Why would you want to live somewhere that obviously doesn't want you? If all these businesses in a contained area openly won't serve you, would you want to live there anyway? If I went to a town to look at a house and everywhere I went was heavily favoring blacks and/or hispanics and they openly told me they wouldn't serve me, I wouldn't move there.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:44 am to Warfarer
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Not sure how private ambulance drivers are paid (whether a sub contractor of public works which I would assume as dispatch is usually linked with it) therefore they can't deny service and couldn't. At least I would think this would be the case
Many are paid from money they get from transfers, say to dialysis, doctors appts, insurance pays good for things like that. They make very little with true emergencies.
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no she doesn't feel good but that is what it is. Because something doesn't make you feel good doesn't mean that we need the government to step in and regulate it. Sometimes hurt feelings are just hurt feelings.
Ok, so your mom is stranded, but who cares. Free market
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There is actually a restaurant I was reading about within the last year that is still refusing to serve blacks because the entire town is white and they are scared that if they serve a black that people will refuse to come eat there. I tried finding the article again but can't, keep seeing one in South Carolina that refuses service.
They probably got shut down
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Why would you want to live somewhere that obviously doesn't want you? If all these businesses in a contained area openly won't serve you, would you want to live there anyway? If I went to a town to look at a house and everywhere I went was heavily favoring blacks and/or hispanics and they openly told me they wouldn't serve me, I wouldn't move there.
People that were born and raised there, have a home, in a rural area. Store, shop, whatever it is gets bought out today from someone who hates blacks. Why couldn't that happen? A dude buys up all the local businesses who hates blacks and now they all of a sudden have nowhere to go. A black dude buys them up who hates whites, same thing. It would be a nightmare, and govt (which I agree on many of the gov't is too big and all that) keeps us from having that headache to begin with.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 10:03 am to Warfarer
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No, he would be let go because he wouldn't be able to perform the daily tasks that we do. Sound mean? it isn't. It's reality.
So not only do you lack basic reasoning skills, you are also an awful person in general.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 10:08 am to Warfarer
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- I am a concrete guy that hires good people of all races and no issues with it.
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I recently built a new office and building and I had to install handicap accessible restrooms despite the fact that I am a private business and no one should ever use my restroom except my employees.
You hire people of all races with no issues but not if there handicapped? Or if you choose to hire someone in the future that is handicapable they have to hold it all day or roll out back and squat by a tree?
Not trying to be a douche, like I usually am, but just playing the Devils advacate.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 10:22 am to HooDooWitch
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You hire people of all races with no issues but not if there handicapped? Or if you choose to hire someone in the future that is handicapable they have to hold it all day or roll out back and squat by a tree?
I pour concrete, what jobs do I have that I could give to someone in a wheelchair or is handicapped in general? I work alongside roads which if I hired a mentally handicapped person they would be a huge liability. I move shite around constantly so i guess I could hire someone in a scooter and hook a trailer to it and hope it doesn't run out of juice by the end of the day?
so to answer your question, no. I don't hire handicapped people because I'm not UNICEF and don't have a feel good spot on my crew that I can hire a cheerleader.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 10:23 am to CaptainBrannigan
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So not only do you lack basic reasoning skills, you are also an awful person in general.
this would seem hurtful except I know you from the Auburn board and know that you are pessimistic dick. Read my reply above this one, I have no spot for someone handicapped.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 10:31 am to dnm3305
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Yea i agree. Without that wheelchair ramp he wouldnt be able to roll himself into an outdoor store to buy all of the latest hiking gear, trekking poles, and a nice shiny pair of boots to sling over his shoulder since he cant wear them. Im sure he'll spend a ton of money in their for his next fricking wheelchair accessible mountain climbing trip!
Posted on 3/19/16 at 10:35 am to Warfarer
I'm not in the concrete business but I would think you may have some office people? A job Forman? Every time I pass construction being done I see one guy busting his arse and three people standing around leaning on shovels. Hell give him that guys job 
Posted on 3/19/16 at 10:40 am to Warfarer
I have a buddy in a wheelchair. Were best friends for 10 years, and I was there when he got paralyzed, so I know the ins and outs.
There were a couple of places that he/we liked to visit that didn't have ramps, and it was hard getting him into. He simply placed a phone call and told them his problem. 90% of them had ramps within a week. It was that easy, and company owners were happy to help him out. They're not ridiculously expensive, so people shouldn't really have a problem getting them. I'm definitely not for forcing people to comply with government regulations. Everything works itself out in the end though.
That being said, dude.....you own a concrete company. Putting a ramp in probably cost you $100 and a few hours worth of labor. Not really much room to complain there.
There were a couple of places that he/we liked to visit that didn't have ramps, and it was hard getting him into. He simply placed a phone call and told them his problem. 90% of them had ramps within a week. It was that easy, and company owners were happy to help him out. They're not ridiculously expensive, so people shouldn't really have a problem getting them. I'm definitely not for forcing people to comply with government regulations. Everything works itself out in the end though.
That being said, dude.....you own a concrete company. Putting a ramp in probably cost you $100 and a few hours worth of labor. Not really much room to complain there.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 10:45 am to Hammertime
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Putting a ramp in probably cost you $100 and a few hours worth of labor.
A simple ramp isn't the issue with most places. If your buddy was a dick and made the right calls to people who knew what they were looking for (the law firms that do ADA threats) they could have them go in and remodel entire areas, new doors through places, new bathrooms, etc.
And for a concrete ADA ramp on a sidewalk job, they go between 600 to 1100 each where I'm at. ALDOT has been pumping out a few AdA handicap ramp jobs lately and those jobs are pushing $250k per job and they usually include about 100 to 200 ramps all over an area.
Laws used to read that cities had to fix the handicap ramps as they were doing work which left cities basically not working in heavy areas as to not have to install tons of ramps that they can't afford, especially smaller towns. Now they are actively seeking them out as projects and having to fix them and it is money that most cities can't spend.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 10:47 am to HooDooWitch
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I'm not in the concrete business but I would think you may have some office people?
So I should go out and hire a handicapped person just to put in the office? I have an office manager and when she retires fully, i will hire the best option regardless of race or uprightness (hopefully she will be hot and slutty).
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Every time I pass construction being done I see one guy busting his arse and three people standing around leaning on shovels.
You see a lot of cities and counties doing work. Real contractors can't do that shite because time is money and governments just print it and are very tough to get rid of them.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 11:15 am to windshieldman
I think it's because of the strong possibility that bigotry, racism, and sexism will grow, and backslide to what it was in the 50s. I think a lot of the tolerance of today is because of laws that the government has put in place.
I imagine there are a lot of small country towns that wouldn't mind going back 50 years.
So, this could be a result of a free market. While it seems natural to let the people choose, looking back generations it is easy to see how racism and sexism hinders a persons opportunities (for example not giving a black man or woman a bank loan). It equates to inequality, pretty much the opposite of what our country stands for
I imagine there are a lot of small country towns that wouldn't mind going back 50 years.
So, this could be a result of a free market. While it seems natural to let the people choose, looking back generations it is easy to see how racism and sexism hinders a persons opportunities (for example not giving a black man or woman a bank loan). It equates to inequality, pretty much the opposite of what our country stands for
Posted on 3/19/16 at 12:07 pm to Warfarer
quote:Yeah, that's not the case with rational, respectable people. If they wouldn't have put them in, we would've either gone less or stopped going all together (if they were an a-hole). I think of it like holding the door open for an old woman. It's nice to accommodate people who want to go to your business. In your case, you don't need them at all. You shouldn't be required to put them in because you don't need them. I'm sure if you dealt with handicapped people regularly, you'd put them in.
If your buddy was a dick and made the right calls to people who knew what they were looking for
People should have the choice to put them in just like people have the choice to avoid and put a company on blast online.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 12:10 pm to gamatt53
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Sorry OP my business only serves people who don't bitch and complain - you aren't welcome in it.
You call your job at the Social Security office a business? OK.
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