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re: Why can't free market determine things anymore?
Posted on 3/18/16 at 3:18 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Posted on 3/18/16 at 3:18 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Of course not. Like I said, constitutionally protected individual rights and freedoms are always inconvenient for social engineering crusaders and statist busybodies.
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Posted on 3/18/16 at 3:21 pm to SoFla Tideroller
In 1987, Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall delivered a lecture, "The Constitution: A Living Document," in which he argued that the Constitution must be interpreted in light of the moral, political, and cultural climate of the age of interpretation.
Obviously there are also quotes from supreme court justices who reject the idea of a living constitution. The real point is that your stance has been debated through elected representatives. My comment about having to adhere to the will of a governing body made up of representatives elected by the general public has nothing to do with my stance on social engineering.
Obviously there are also quotes from supreme court justices who reject the idea of a living constitution. The real point is that your stance has been debated through elected representatives. My comment about having to adhere to the will of a governing body made up of representatives elected by the general public has nothing to do with my stance on social engineering.
This post was edited on 3/18/16 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 3/18/16 at 3:48 pm to Warfarer
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Like I said, I do concrete and mainly for municipalities so I understand the ADA codes as well as most engineers. I fully understand why cities and government entities should have to conform to accommodate all people (within reason) but I just don't understand why not let businesses live or die on their decisions.
The free market failed miserably on environmental issues. Why do you put such blind faith in a system that succeeds on greed and ruthless efficiency? A healthy balance is a superior system.
Some things should be regulated. If Walmart decided "well, frick handicap people -- we don't make enough off them to justify providing them with well maintained access or handicap stalls, etc."... you think some small business could stay afloat by catering to such a small demographic?
The reality is that they would be screwed. Of course, it opens up options like a delivery business.. but that doesn't make it a good thing.
This post was edited on 3/18/16 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 3/18/16 at 3:48 pm to upgrayedd
quote:I'm talking about literally exactly what I said, and being a white male is rather obviously easier right now today, then being a black dude, or a female. It's not even really a debate.
but rather the scapegoat for the failures of those who cannot succeed on their own while being given legally sanctioned advantages.
White dudes are doing just ok these days.
quote:Not sure i've ever seen a popular media site or politician blame white people for stuff. Not to say it hasn't happened here and there, but you said it's "24/7", as I mentioned, sounds like you're just overstating it, is all.
Watch any news outlet for an hour or more and you'll see it.
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There's white privilege, black privilege, Hispanic privilege, Asian privilege, etc. If everyone has privilege, no one has privilege.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 4:32 pm to Sneaky__Sally
In 1987, Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall delivered a lecture, "The Constitution: A Living Document," in which he argued that the Constitution must be interpreted in light of the moral, political, and cultural climate of the age of interpretation.
You're gonna use a political hack like Thurgood Marshall to bolster your side? Really? And you do realize that the title of that lecture reinforces my point more than almost anything I could say?
You're gonna use a political hack like Thurgood Marshall to bolster your side? Really? And you do realize that the title of that lecture reinforces my point more than almost anything I could say?
Posted on 3/18/16 at 5:01 pm to Warfarer
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Warfarer - Dothan, AL
Not to get off the subject, but is the Conestoga Steak House still open? They had the world's best filet mignon!
I ate there in the early 80's. One day I showed up and they had paved their parking lot.
I told the waitress that with all the improvements, the next thing you know they will paint the place and spray for roaches.
I had to leave a really big tip that night....
Posted on 3/18/16 at 5:07 pm to ATL-TIGER-732
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Not to get off the subject, but is the Conestoga Steak House still open? They had the world's best filet mignon!
Still open, still the same exact shite hole that you were in during the 80s.
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I told the waitress that with all the improvements, the next thing you know they will paint the place and spray for roaches.
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Probably still hasn't happened.
I've never been a big fan of the place, good steak but not good enough to wait an hour on the weekends.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 5:12 pm to bmy
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Some things should be regulated. If Walmart decided "well, frick handicap people -- we don't make enough off them to justify providing them with well maintained access or handicap stalls, etc."... you think some small business could stay afloat by catering to such a small demographic?
I really think the market would take care of this issue. If Wal-Mart didn't take care of handicaps, enough people would stop going there and eventually have to change their policies.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 5:19 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I didn't present it to say anything at all about your argument. Just trying to point out that debates regarding constitutionality go back and forth (did you notice the second parang?) and that as of now, the eleceted government has these programs in place. My comments had nothing to do with constitutionality.
This post was edited on 3/18/16 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 3/18/16 at 5:32 pm to RaleighTiger
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Would it be OK with you if a restaurant refused to serve people of color?
It would be okay if a restaurant didn't want to serve me.
fricking cliche that doesn't happen used to justify any and all left wing horse shite
Posted on 3/18/16 at 5:47 pm to Warfarer
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Why can't free market handle these things instead of lawsuits? A business should be able to decline business to anyone they choose to. If a cake maker doesn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding then let the free market handle it, people will stop going there. If a private business doesn't want to hire blacks, whites, females because they would be a minority within the company culture and that in itself is a liability these days, why force them to hire them?
Do you honestly not realize that we have tired this "free market" solution before and it did not work? In fact it worked so poorly that we needed to write laws to help remedy these issues.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 6:26 pm to Topwater Trout
And people should be able to shame a business owner for denying business for any reason.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 6:35 pm to Warfarer
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I will preface this by saying that I am a mid 30's white male business owner so I am everything this country stands against but I just don't understand why people don't let the free market handle bad business anymore.
- I am a concrete guy that hires good people of all races and no issues with it.
- I fully understand why government funded and government run facilities must try to cater to all fairly.
- What I don't understand is why a privately owned business must cater to the same. If a retailer is privately owned and don't have handicap accessibility, why must they have it? We had a string of lawsuits around my area where a law firm came in and threatened law suits against several restaurants and businesses that weren't in compliance to get settlements. Several businesses just closed instead of having to remodel to conform to new standards.
- I recently built a new office and building and I had to install handicap accessible restrooms despite the fact that I am a private business and no one should ever use my restroom except my employees.
Why can't free market handle these things instead of lawsuits? A business should be able to decline business to anyone they choose to. If a cake maker doesn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding then let the free market handle it, people will stop going there. If a private business doesn't want to hire blacks, whites, females because they would be a minority within the company culture and that in itself is a liability these days, why force them to hire them?
Because the supreme court said so.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 9:28 pm to Warfarer
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I really think the market would take care of this issue. If Wal-Mart didn't take care of handicaps, enough people would stop going there and eventually have to change their policies.
There's not a chance in fricking hell that this would happen. It's like expecting people to stop using facebook.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 9:54 pm to Warfarer
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- I recently built a new office and building and I had to install handicap accessible restrooms despite the fact that I am a private business and no one should ever use my restroom except my employees.
What happens when one of your employees (say a receptionist) is in a terrible car wreck and loses a leg. Are you going to fire him because he can't get into your office? I was forced to resign because of when I was briefly pretty badly handicapped and it sucked.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 10:00 pm to bmy
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The free market failed miserably on environmental issues.
Some things should be regulated.
The way China does it is so much better!
Posted on 3/18/16 at 10:55 pm to athenslife101
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What happens when one of your employees (say a receptionist) is in a terrible car wreck and loses a leg. Are you going to fire him because he can't get into your office?
No, he would be let go because he wouldn't be able to perform the daily tasks that we do. Sound mean? it isn't. It's reality. i don't have office jobs for people other than my office manager.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 10:59 pm to RaleighTiger
quote:does this include the color white?
Would it be OK with you if a restaurant refused to serve people of color?
Personally I believe a business should be able to refuse service to people of color, but not colored people
Posted on 3/19/16 at 2:23 am to terd ferguson
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We're having IMMORALITY shoved down our throats. They've removed Christianity and replaced it with "tolerance".
I'll pray for you.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 7:24 am to Warfarer
quote:You thinking this is part of the problem.
- I fully understand why government funded and government run facilities must try to cater to all fairly.
quote:Because there are people that think the government should cater to some people fairly in some aspects and, like the disgusting virus that it is, government uses that concession and spreads itself over the entirety of society.
Why can't free market handle these things instead of lawsuits?
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