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Why are Unions still a thing?
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:50 am
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:50 am
And how did they get so out of hand?
My FIL has some great/terrible stories of people abusing their jobs because they know the union will keep them from being fired.
For example, he said he worked with one guy on night shifts at a plant that would sleep the entire time, every single night. The company couldn’t fire him because the union created some rule that you can’t prove the employee fell asleep on purpose unless they made a bed. The guy would just sleep in a chair and his job was safe because he didn’t have a pillow or a blanket.
How do unions get away with that shite? Any person with a brain can conclude that a guy doesn’t “accidentally” fall asleep every single night.
My FIL has some great/terrible stories of people abusing their jobs because they know the union will keep them from being fired.
For example, he said he worked with one guy on night shifts at a plant that would sleep the entire time, every single night. The company couldn’t fire him because the union created some rule that you can’t prove the employee fell asleep on purpose unless they made a bed. The guy would just sleep in a chair and his job was safe because he didn’t have a pillow or a blanket.
How do unions get away with that shite? Any person with a brain can conclude that a guy doesn’t “accidentally” fall asleep every single night.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 12:44 pm
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:52 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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And how did they get so out of hand?
My FIL has some great/terrible stories of people abusing their jobs because they know the union will keep them from being fired.
For example, he said he worked with one guy on night shifts at a plant that would sleep the entire time, every single night. The company couldn’t fire him because the union created some rule that you can’t prove the employee fell asleep on purpose unless they made a bed. The guy would just sleep in a chair and his job was safe because he didn’t have a pillow or a blanket.
How do unions get away with that shite? Any person with a brain can conclude that a guy doesn’t “accidentally” fall asleep every single night.
At that point I don't know why his fellow employees don't beat his arse themselves. He's either causing more work for them or more than likely a more dangerous working environment by not doing his job.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:54 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Why are Unions still a thing
They aren't nearly as strong as they once were.
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And how did they get so out of hand?
Washington DC. Unions take dues, donate to democratic political campaigns, they get elected and setup labor boards and laws to protect unions. This cycle continues until they are voted out of office.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 10:56 am
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:54 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Because people are sheep and stupid.
Once a union gets their nose in the door, everything becomes “THE COMPANY WANTS TO DEPRIVE YOU OF THIS AND ITS THE WORST THING EVER! VOTE TO GIVE US THE POWER TO PROTECT YOU!”
Once a union gets their nose in the door, everything becomes “THE COMPANY WANTS TO DEPRIVE YOU OF THIS AND ITS THE WORST THING EVER! VOTE TO GIVE US THE POWER TO PROTECT YOU!”
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 10:55 am
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:55 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Probably bc in the past management fired people for “falling asleep on the job” when in reality they were complaining about dangerous working conditions and management just wanted an excuse. So union negotiated this requirement in to prevent that.
Unions have their issues and create their own problems, but they’re an equal and opposite reaction to management and owners taking advantage of workers and not offering fair compensation, etc
Unions have their issues and create their own problems, but they’re an equal and opposite reaction to management and owners taking advantage of workers and not offering fair compensation, etc
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 10:56 am
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:56 am to Tony The Tiger
quote:Why the downvote? This is absolutely fact.
Washington DC. Unions take dues, donate to democratic political campaigns, they get elected and setup labor boards and laws to protect unions. This cycle continues until they are voted out of office.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:56 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Smaller unions for specialized trades serve a purpose. Large scale unions are as corrupt, bloated, and bureaucratic as any other massive organization.
When unions came into Avondale, it really screwed hardworking guys over.
Many will tell you that they appreciate being in a Right to Work state because in Union dominant states, hard working people who should be promoted and advanced or given a raise will not be due to the restrictions imposed. Mediocrity as the high standard is the best you can wish for with unions. And that is the ideal situation.
When unions came into Avondale, it really screwed hardworking guys over.
Many will tell you that they appreciate being in a Right to Work state because in Union dominant states, hard working people who should be promoted and advanced or given a raise will not be due to the restrictions imposed. Mediocrity as the high standard is the best you can wish for with unions. And that is the ideal situation.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 10:59 am
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:57 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Mandatory union membership should be outlawed. Right to work should be standard.
You should not be forced to join a union to work in certain fields in certain states.
You should not be forced to join a union to work in certain fields in certain states.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:57 am to Bert Macklin FBI
They had their place years ago but are not nearly as necessary as the once were.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:57 am to Bert Macklin FBI
I represent some construction trades and can make arguments there about training/safety/fringe benefits. But, I really just do not understand public unions.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 10:58 am
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:59 am to jlovel7
The company I worked for had manufacturing plants spread around the world. It was like night and day the laziness and lack of motivation between the union and non union plants. Cooperation between management and union workers was non existent.
Unions are like a cancer.
Unions are like a cancer.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 11:03 am
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:59 am to Displaced
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Mandatory union membership should be outlawed. Right to work should be standard.
You should not be forced to join a union to work in certain fields in certain states.
But, you already get a vote to be union/non-union. People who have to be represented for purposes of bargaining and grievance adjustment shouldn't be able to opt-out if the union was already voted in IMO. Plus, people have the right to opt out of paying "non-core" dues, even without right-to-work.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 11:01 am
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:59 am to Bunk Moreland
Construction trades have viable unions. It's a totally different model than many others though.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:01 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:I disagree. You should not force workers to pay dues to a union even if the labor force voted to be represented by one.
People who have to be represented for purposes of bargaining and grievance adjustment shouldn't be able to opt-out if the union was already voted in IMO.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 11:03 am
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:03 am to Displaced
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Mandatory union membership should be outlawed.
From my understanding this will happen this year.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:05 am to Bert Macklin FBI
The decline in the power of unions is a big part of our two decade wage freeze, tbh.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:06 am to Bunk Moreland
Unions can still be a good thing when there isn't much job mobility. Normally the best defense against a crappy boss is to just find another job somewhere else. This wasn't necessarily easy 100 years ago during the glory days of unions.
For example, if you worked in a "company town" of the sort that was pretty common back then, either you toed the company line or you were looking at moving somewhere else and trying to start over.
Now mostly it's public employees who have less mobility. If you are a NYC cop (or teacher) and feel like you're being taken advantage of, then your only option is to move away (probably pretty far away) and give up your cushy pension. Or call your union. If you're a private sector employee you just give your old boss the middle finger and go work for the firm next door.
For example, if you worked in a "company town" of the sort that was pretty common back then, either you toed the company line or you were looking at moving somewhere else and trying to start over.
Now mostly it's public employees who have less mobility. If you are a NYC cop (or teacher) and feel like you're being taken advantage of, then your only option is to move away (probably pretty far away) and give up your cushy pension. Or call your union. If you're a private sector employee you just give your old boss the middle finger and go work for the firm next door.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:07 am to jlovel7
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At that point I don't know why his fellow employees don't beat his arse themselves. He's either causing more work for them or more than likely a more dangerous working environment by not doing his job.
That was my question as well and my FIL said that he would then complain to the union and all who gave him shite would be fired and the lazy frick would probably get a pay out if not promoted.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:14 am to foshizzle
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Now mostly it's public employees who have less mobility. If you are a NYC cop (or teacher) and feel like you're being taken advantage of, then your only option is to move away (probably pretty far away) and give up your cushy pension. Or call your union.
Except that the unions are actually used to protect the shitty cops and teachers from accountability.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:22 am to Displaced
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Except that the unions are actually used to protect the shitty cops and teachers from accountability.
That’s part that floors me. I get a union stepping in when an employee is being treated unfairly but why in the frick do they protect a shitty employee from being fired for doing a shitty job on a regular basis.
I get that sometimes it can’t be proved but back to the OP, when a guy sleeps every night on the job why the frick does the union fight for that guy to keep his job?
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