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re: Why are couples that choose not to have kids looked down upon?

Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:10 pm to
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How is that weird? Different people want different things in life



Well, it is weird. It's abnormal to American social norms.

I didn't say I hate you for it. I just said it's weird. Most people value family and the concept of starting a family. People that don't find that valuable, particularly if it's not valuable because they'd rather devote their life to career success or money, are weird.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:10 pm to
Because that's how we get Idiocracy.
Posted by tke857
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:11 pm to
meh that small pro doesnt out weigh all the potential cons. you can do all the exact same things as a non-married couple as you could as a married couple. Why throw in a bag of legalities into the mix when you dont have to?
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:12 pm to
Some of it jealously and some people love their kids so much that couldn't understand why you wouldn't want one.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:12 pm to
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Because that's how we get Idiocracy.



Should be required viewing for all college freshmen

Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:12 pm to
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I get pissed because we need more successful, intelligent people to procreate to stop the world from being overrun by Tammy Lynn and Billy Joe who have 11 kids in the trailer park.



Yeah, but think about the type of people who are adamant about not having kids (setting aside health problems and the like). What are the chances their offspring are going to be some pleasant benefit to society. I just envision them creating a bunch of Lena Dunhams.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:13 pm to
I love my daughter, but I would do things differently if given the chance.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:14 pm to
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Yeah, but think about the type of people who are adamant about not having kids (setting aside health problems and the like). What are the chances their offspring are going to be some pleasant benefit to society. I just envision them creating a bunch of Lena Dunhams.




Lena Dunham is better than 8 soon-to-be meth heads with arrest records that have their own 8 meth heads each.

And I hate Lena Dunham.
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:17 pm to
Probably rooted in a blend of:

1) Insecurity that they themselves chose the life of parenthood, which has its sacrifices, and are jealous of those that benefit from not choosing it

2) Couldn't imagine not having their kids, love them to death, and suspect childless couples of selfishness/narcisissim

3) General difficulty to relate to people whose daily lives would be so different

This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:17 pm to
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Lena Dunham is better than 8 soon-to-be meth heads with arrest records that have their own 8 meth heads each.

And I hate Lena Dunham.



But is she? I concede to you on the raw numbers, but I'm not certain that drains on society are necessarily worse than those who advocate for a system that allow drains on society.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:18 pm to
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because it's selfish



there is no correlation between procreation status and selfishness levels.

the frickers who flood the restaurants and bars in my area, letting their ruffians run amuck, are some of the most selfish dicks I know.

and if one places his identity primarily in his kids, and procreates to make "little hims," he is also a self-involved selfish a-hole. (gender neutrality intended)
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:19 pm to
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But is she? I concede to you on the raw numbers, but I'm not certain that drains on society are necessarily worse than those who advocate for a system that allow drains on society.




One pays a lot of taxes and doesn't get arrested. One advocates education.

The other is the opposite. Again, I don't like her political or social views, but if she wasn't famous, she would just be another liberal. I'd rather 1,000 Lena Dunhams over 1,000 welfare kids with shitty parents.

Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:20 pm to
I've always found it to be just the opposite


Parents who have kids already know the struggle so they are just like 'ok, to each their own' whereas the non child bearing people think they are on some sort of soapbox just because they don't want to have kids
Posted by Scanlon Shorthalt
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:20 pm to
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Why are couples that choose not to have kids looked down upon?


I think there are a few reasons:

1.Misery loves company.
So many people stumble blindly through life, following a prescribed pattern simply because they feel that's their only option. They end up married with kids and are miserable. They don't really know how or why they got to where they are, and they have no way of getting out of it. But they think, "well, I had no choice really, it's what I'm supposed to do."

Then they see a happy successful couple without kids and they see glaring proof that they DID have other options. "No one told me I had a choice!"

2. Those that choose not to have kids tend to be the type of people that we think SHOULD have kids. They are usually well grounded, successful, good people. You think "wow, they would be great parents, why don't they have kids?". Meanwhile hood rats and welfare queens are pumping out more societal leaches daily.

3. Religions tend to pressure for people to produce more followers. More followers means more money for their coffers. More money = more power. So those not procreating are cutting in to the profit base. That's a sin man.

4. Couldn't imagine not having their kids, love them to death, and suspect childless couples of selfishness/narcisissim
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:21 pm to
I'll add to this mix that I think those of us who like the concept of having a family tend to view getting married and having children as an innate rather than learned condition.

I'm not sure what an anthropologist would say about it, but I think there is probably a pretty deeply held belief that not desiring those things is unnatural.
Posted by TheAlmightySmash
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:21 pm to
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Why are couples that choose not to have kids looked down upon?


To prolong the amount of time before we're a minority in this country
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
25851 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:21 pm to
I wouldn't get married if I didn't want kids. I'd rather play the field. The only reason to get married is to have kids.
Posted by trident
Member since Jul 2007
4745 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:21 pm to
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Why do couples that choose to have kids and move to the burbs look down on couples that choose to focus on their careers and have more disposable income? Is it jealousy of all the cool shite they can afford to do and all the free time they get?



Because most people see this time and time again, the couple "focuses" on their career, get older with no one to care for them. It is reality that I think many/most of the ones that deliberately chose not to have kids don't think about. In 10 yrs when all your friends have kids, what are you going to do? It almost feels like life passes those people by before they realize
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34507 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:22 pm to
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3. Religions tend to pressure for people to produce more followers. More followers means more money for their coffers. More money = more power. So those not procreating are cutting in to the profit base. That's a sin man.



I agree with most of what you're saying - and also completely agree with you about churches in general wanting more money, but I've never seen this in my lifetime
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:22 pm to
Can't blame them, kids are expensive...
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