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Posted on 5/23/15 at 2:01 pm to Champagne
This is an obvious troll job but I am going to respond to it just in case some ignorant a-hole stumbles upon it and believes it.
This is very true. But in a world where the global economy was becoming more important than ever, this would not have been good for the United States nor its citizens. Our victory in World War II freed millions of people as well as stopped the Holocaust.
That's because such an enterprise is virtually impossible...even in today's world. For an enemy fleet to cross the Atlantic Ocean to land troops on our shores would be a suicidal proposition. Our air forces would have destroyed their fleet before it even got within striking distance.
No. Do you even Japan bro?
Ever heard of unrestricted submarine warfare? The Germans were using it to sink our ships all over the Atlantic, killing American sailors in the process. We told them to stop after the Lusitania sank in 1915. They stopped for about a year and half before starting up again in 1917. Once they started sinking our ships again Wilson realized enough was enough. That, combined with the intercepted Zimmerman note to Mexico, which encouraged the Mexicans to invade the American southwest, brought us into the conflict.
It had nothing to do with British propaganda and had every bit to do with the Germans indiscriminately sinking our merchant shipping in the Atlantic.
How could the American government possibly have known that? They didn't have forensics near like we do today. All we saw as an American ship blowing up in a Spanish-owned port when tensions with Spain were at an all-time high.
This we actually agree upon. In fact, many of the war's participants - including future Civil War hero/President Ulysses S. Grant - said the same exact thing. Both during and after the conflict.
So John Adams, John Hancock, Samuel Adams, and Benjamin Franklin were rich, white American slave owners? They were the ones who spearheaded the Independence movement and they all came from free states.
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World War 2's victory didn't keep us free, because Hitler wanted only to be Master of Europe.
This is very true. But in a world where the global economy was becoming more important than ever, this would not have been good for the United States nor its citizens. Our victory in World War II freed millions of people as well as stopped the Holocaust.
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Nazi Germany had no desire to conquer the USA.
That's because such an enterprise is virtually impossible...even in today's world. For an enemy fleet to cross the Atlantic Ocean to land troops on our shores would be a suicidal proposition. Our air forces would have destroyed their fleet before it even got within striking distance.
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Would you say that the USA was duped into fighting a bloody war?
No. Do you even Japan bro?
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The USA had no business in fighting in World War One. Germany didn't attack the USA. The USA was again duped into fighting a bloody war by British propaganda.
Ever heard of unrestricted submarine warfare? The Germans were using it to sink our ships all over the Atlantic, killing American sailors in the process. We told them to stop after the Lusitania sank in 1915. They stopped for about a year and half before starting up again in 1917. Once they started sinking our ships again Wilson realized enough was enough. That, combined with the intercepted Zimmerman note to Mexico, which encouraged the Mexicans to invade the American southwest, brought us into the conflict.
It had nothing to do with British propaganda and had every bit to do with the Germans indiscriminately sinking our merchant shipping in the Atlantic.
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Same goes for the Spanish American War. The USS Maine blew up due to faulty gunpowder, not Spanish terror attacks.
How could the American government possibly have known that? They didn't have forensics near like we do today. All we saw as an American ship blowing up in a Spanish-owned port when tensions with Spain were at an all-time high.
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US vs. Mexico War was a straight up war of aggression by the USA against Mexico.
This we actually agree upon. In fact, many of the war's participants - including future Civil War hero/President Ulysses S. Grant - said the same exact thing. Both during and after the conflict.
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American Revolution was an act of Treason against Great Britain perpetrated by rich White American slaveholders who wanted to protect their wealth against a mother country that was turning against slavery.
So John Adams, John Hancock, Samuel Adams, and Benjamin Franklin were rich, white American slave owners? They were the ones who spearheaded the Independence movement and they all came from free states.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 5:53 pm to blueboy
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Vietnam, on the domestic front. The marxists tried to take over like they did during WW1 and WW2 and we defeated them, for the time being.
The US won Vietnam? You need to study up on your history. For you youngsters, there are plenty of clips on U-tube showing the American forces pushing and shoving to get out of the Saigon Embassy in helicopters that were headed offshore to a carrier before the North Vietnamese captured them. That isn't a victory.
PS. what did those "Marxists" do after their victory? They became capitalists.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 6:45 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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WWII was pretty much cut and dry
Yeah, instead of just leaving a German/Polish war, which likely would have turned into a German-Soviet war, we were sucked into bailing the French and British out of another preemptive power politics conflict with Germany that they were on the brink of losing.
So we formed an alliance with one of the most monstrous leaders of the 20th Century, contributed immensely to turning them into one of the top 2 global powers in the world, and turned over every country to their domination that we, the British, and French claimed were supposedly our reasons for going to war with Germany in the first place. All because Germany "threatened our freedoms." Lord knows that German invasion of the United States was coming any minute.
Yet I guess the Soviet invasion of Poland, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia wasn't a threat to our freedom. In fact, we were totally fine with it. So fine with it that let the Soviets keep all those countries post-war and threw in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia for good measure. The end result of which virtually immediately left us on the brink of WWIII for the next half century and sucked the United States into funding the defense of the entire world from a globally aggressive Comintern.
But yeah, pretty cut and dry.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 6:48 pm to RollTide1987
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This is an obvious troll job
Yeah, it was all just a lengthy set up for his "liberalz iz bad" kicker at the end.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 6:49 pm to jonboy
Our current prez is doing a good job at creating a civil war. Tries real hard
Posted on 5/23/15 at 6:57 pm to weagle99
Literally none. And Israel has dominated our foreign policy since, unfortunately, causing us way more harm than good.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 6:59 pm to weagle99
Afghanistan would be the only one and tryong to rebuild that country was a mistake.
The war in congress for the passage of the patriot act, which the citizens loss, has cost us a lot more freedom than we have won during any war since ww2.
The war in congress for the passage of the patriot act, which the citizens loss, has cost us a lot more freedom than we have won during any war since ww2.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 7:11 pm to lsu777
Just a little tidbit for you --
Roughly 1,264,000 American soldiers have died in the nation's wars--620,000 in the Civil War and 644,000 in all other conflicts. Of those other 644,000 deaths, roughly 407,000 of those were in WWII
Roughly 1,264,000 American soldiers have died in the nation's wars--620,000 in the Civil War and 644,000 in all other conflicts. Of those other 644,000 deaths, roughly 407,000 of those were in WWII
Posted on 5/23/15 at 7:20 pm to weagle99
Not sure about keeping us free. But I know a lot of defense contractors have been greatly enriched on both sides. If you think the East/West friction is about anything else you live in fantasyland.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 8:18 pm to rootisback
Only 360,000 USA soldiers died in the civil war.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 8:20 pm to saintsfan92612
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Only 360,000 USA soldiers died in the civil war.
He said American, not USA. I consider CSA soldiers to be Americans.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 8:25 pm to ChewyDante
you're such a contrarian dude!!!
Is there a manual I can buy that instructs me on how to be so edgy ??
Is there a manual I can buy that instructs me on how to be so edgy ??
This post was edited on 5/23/15 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 5/23/15 at 9:08 pm to REG861
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you're such a contrarian dude!!!
Is there a manual I can buy that instructs me on how to be so edgy ??
So challenging the simplistic and obviously biased narrative of US entrance into WWII being necessary for our "freedom" or that its morality or necessity was "cut and dry" indicates being contrarian or trying to be edgy? Yes, I guess if not being a mindless lemming is "contrarian" or "edgy" then guilty as charged.
You're so patronizing dude!!! Is there a manual I can buy that instructs me how to act condescending to mask the fact that I don't want to confront critical thinking that challenges a convenient prevailing narrative??
Posted on 5/23/15 at 9:37 pm to rootisback
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Just a little tidbit for you --
Roughly 1,264,000 American soldiers have died in the nation's wars--620,000 in the Civil War and 644,000 in all other conflicts. Of those other 644,000 deaths, roughly 407,000 of those were in WWII
Of 620,000 causalities, 2/3 died of disease. This war was only so deadly because of medical ineptitude.
As for the initial question, All conflict fought since WW2 did nothing to preserve American freedoms. They were for US interest.
The only people we can say we gave freedom to was the South Koreans. Other countries became democratic but weren't necessarily free.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 9:45 pm to blueboy
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Vietnam, on the domestic front. The marxists tried to take over like they did during WW1 and WW2 and we defeated them, for the time being.
Yep, that's how the war profiteers, the segregationists, the national socialists, and the statists sold their bill of goods: label anyone who objected a marxist.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 10:10 pm to Socratics
Even with respect to World War II, the mainland US was never in danger of an full-scale invasion. Pearl Harbor was about weakening our Pacific fleet. Our involvement in the European theater sped up Germany's demise and kept the Soviet Union from taking over the rest of Europe.
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