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re: Which War Would Result In The Most Severe PTSD For Soldiers?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:16 pm to northshorebamaman
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:16 pm to northshorebamaman
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The one on Passchendaele is horrifying. I mean, it's all horrifying, but the stories of men drowning in the mud got to me.
Yep. Imagine drowning in a giant vat of oatmeal.
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:18 pm to northshorebamaman
Yeah, same. I haven't listened to the early ones, all the series and blitz episodes were awesome. The whole experience of blueprint is unrelenting in it's horror, but some of the things the mongols did were just unbelievably cruel
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:21 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Yeah, I loved the blitz on the Anabaptist rebellion in Munster. Probably my favorite.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:24 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
I do think some people are selling the Eastern Front short. 3 out of the top 5 highest casualty count battles in human history are from this front. Like Stalingrad:
Axis:
Strength by Soviet Counteroffensive: 1,040,000
Casualties (killed/wounded): 734,000
Captured: 108,000
Returned Home: 198,000
Soviets:
Strength by Soviet Counteroffensive: 1,143,000
Killed in Action: 478,741
Wounded or Sick: 650,878
Survivors not Wounded or Sick: 13,381
Initial Civilians in the City: 400,000
Surviving Civilians at End: 10,000-60,000
I can't imagine worse than that, really for both sides.
Axis:
Strength by Soviet Counteroffensive: 1,040,000
Casualties (killed/wounded): 734,000
Captured: 108,000
Returned Home: 198,000
Soviets:
Strength by Soviet Counteroffensive: 1,143,000
Killed in Action: 478,741
Wounded or Sick: 650,878
Survivors not Wounded or Sick: 13,381
Initial Civilians in the City: 400,000
Surviving Civilians at End: 10,000-60,000
I can't imagine worse than that, really for both sides.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:27 pm to Cosmo
You haven't been so you don't know.
Ww1 easily back then it was known as shell shock syndrome. Warfare changed drastically. Also the Armenian genocide was occurring along with the Russian revolution in this time frame
If it weren't for Audie Murphy we may not know what we do about ptsd
Ww1 easily back then it was known as shell shock syndrome. Warfare changed drastically. Also the Armenian genocide was occurring along with the Russian revolution in this time frame
If it weren't for Audie Murphy we may not know what we do about ptsd
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:30 pm to Crusty Juggler
Agreed. That wasn't even the worst of it for them. The bolshevik revolution was sparked as a result of the war. Russia/USSR had a rough go for a good 40 year stretch
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:30 pm to Sao
We are entitled now. Soldiers are millennials that are soft as shite. I have heard the "war stories". Don't fricking join and then cry about the same stuff that you knew was a possibility. I think they do it for the attention. They want to seem like the harden quiet type that every feels for.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:31 pm to Jobu93
That was what made Afghanistan a pain in the arse.
I always hated that part when I was there. At least when I got there the fighting season hadn't started due to large amount of snow where we were
I always hated that part when I was there. At least when I got there the fighting season hadn't started due to large amount of snow where we were
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:35 pm to vol27
You don't find it funny that the rise in new media outlets almost directly correlates to the amount of ptsd we hear about? It's always been around. People just have a medium to speak out about it.
Also i highly doubt that 18 year old who joined the military realized exactly what he was in for. To criticize a veteran for suffering for your freedom is pretty low
Also i highly doubt that 18 year old who joined the military realized exactly what he was in for. To criticize a veteran for suffering for your freedom is pretty low
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:39 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Here we go. You have no clue if I served or not. I hate to break it to you but military members are not like the commercials. No Marine is climbing a mountain and slaying a dragon. I have never met a military member that joined to defend our freedom. That is until they want to sound important. Not saying some don't join for that reason. I'm just saying I have never met one.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:40 pm to Sao
I would imagine WW1 & Vietnam
With that being said, this is a stupid subject to try and compare situations with.
With that being said, this is a stupid subject to try and compare situations with.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:43 pm to vol27
I'm not saying they did join to protect our freedom. I'm saying they suffered while actually doing that.
As i said, i don't think they had any idea what they were getting into when they joined up.
As i said, i don't think they had any idea what they were getting into when they joined up.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:47 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
War is incorporated into our daily lives. Movies, television, video games etc.. If they didn't know then they are ignorant beyond repair.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:00 pm to Crusty Juggler
The Eastern Front was a meat grinder but the individual experience for each and every soldier was similar to any other soldier in the war. So, while the body count was extremely high, the conditions weren't any worse than what the British in South East Asia experienced.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:04 pm to Sao
WW1, Imagine you were a civil war era trained soldier.
Now all of a sudden planes flew over and dropped bombs, people manned guns that could wipe out platoons between reloads. Gas came down and killed or maimed. You lived in a trench, slept in a trench, ate in a trench, shite in a trench, died in a trench. People who made it through WW1 are some tough SOBs.
It was the first truly modern world war. The first big war with new technologies.
The first tanks, the first mobile machine guns, first aerial bombings. You just had no idea what to expect and training did not prepare for actuality.
Now all of a sudden planes flew over and dropped bombs, people manned guns that could wipe out platoons between reloads. Gas came down and killed or maimed. You lived in a trench, slept in a trench, ate in a trench, shite in a trench, died in a trench. People who made it through WW1 are some tough SOBs.
It was the first truly modern world war. The first big war with new technologies.
The first tanks, the first mobile machine guns, first aerial bombings. You just had no idea what to expect and training did not prepare for actuality.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:15 pm to Napoleon
Reading Louis Barthas notebooks right now. French troops in trenches were plagued by fleas, ticks, and flies. Flies because of the unburied dead. Horrible.
And doctors were more butchers than doctors. There is a reason those troops mutinied in German, French, and Russian armies.
And doctors were more butchers than doctors. There is a reason those troops mutinied in German, French, and Russian armies.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:18 pm to upgrayedd
WWI. Hand to Hand in trenches had to be life altering as a survivor.
Vietnam was bad too. Imagine fighting a foe you hardly, if ever saw?
Vietnam was bad too. Imagine fighting a foe you hardly, if ever saw?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:18 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
How was it?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:23 pm to Sao
WW1, my grandad served during WW1. Went to war as a young black haired 25 yr old, came back as a grey haired 27 year old. Shell-shocked, artillery explosion blew him up in a tree, gassed x2, and was in hand to hand fighting where he bayonetted a German down the throat. Came back and was never the same (they say). But he was my favorite person on earth, died when I was 8.
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