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re: Which War Would Result In The Most Severe PTSD For Soldiers?

Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:24 pm to
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:24 pm to
Just read through the thread. Yes, WWI is by far the worst war in military history. The generals often get bad reps for how the battles were fought, but they were old school generals fighting a mechanized war. The communication or lack-thereof cause offenses to stall once the objective was reached only to be counter attacked. They didn't know how to fight on a new battlefield. So the men essentially became science experiments. The only country that figured out how the new style of warfare would be fought were the Germans. Artillery barrages that lasted for days, the tunneling that the sides would dig in order to set off a mine underneath the other side's trenches. Gas attacks, no man's land and the advent of the machine gun. And like others have said, modern combat with not modern medicine.

Now, the Pacific Theater and Eastern Front were horrible in their own right. Eastern Front was worse for civilians, obviously. No telling how many rapes happened then. And think about Leningrad, the siege lasted from 1941-1944, people turned to canibalism. But the battles in the Pacific were probably much tougher.

Chosin Reservoir in Korea was beyond imaginable as well.

Eta: If you have a chance, read the book "The Last Stand of Fox Company" it's on a company of Marines that held the route open for our troops to get out of the Chosin Reservoir. One company took on multiple regiments of Chinese forces. Toughest sons of bitches ever in my opinion.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 8:28 pm
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:26 pm to
In about a decade of fighting in Vietnam, the US lost around 50,000 men.

In the first day of the Battle of the Somme, the British lost 60,000. The Germans lost about the same amount.

The battle then continued for another three months, for the grand gain of less than five miles.

World War One was such a horrific experience that it still haunts us, even now. It is almost like modern society's suppressed bad memory of its collective youth. People don't think about it much, but its impact colors everything.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:30 pm to
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Also "at times" was all the time during the battles you mentioned.


That's incorrect. I don't know why you would write that. You think that the trenches during those events started and ended the battles in the same condition.

BUT, World War One certainly did produce plenty of PTSD casualties amongst the Germans, British and French who fought in the trenches for more years than did the US. AND those conditions that you describe were there for long enough to produce many PTSD casualties. What's worse is that nobody had any idea on how to treat it back then.
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Posted by Soup Sammich
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:35 pm to
I really think Vietnam had to have been bad on soldiers because they weren't fighting for the freedom of their own country and families. They knew they could die at any time in a war a lot of them didn't want to be in.

The World War soldiers were fighting for their countries and the fate of the entire world. The soldiers believed in the cause for the most part.

I would think the PTSD per soldier would be higher for Vietnam than the World Wars. That doesn't mean one was more terrifying than the others but a soldiers mindset would be part of the cause.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:39 pm to
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Soldiers are millennials that are soft as shite.


Posted by Fratigerguy
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:39 pm to
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PTSD is caused by combat action




The ignorance on this board is only surpassed by the ignorance on the rant most days.

Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:39 pm to
I think anyone that faced death, saw friends die and killed others could not help but be changed.


bless all those that served their country































except the Russians those commie bastards


Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:41 pm to
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WWI
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:41 pm to
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bless all those that served their country


Except frick Santa Ana.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:42 pm to
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gotta be WW1 followed by Civil War followed by WW2

Are you just talking about Americans? Bc I don't see what makes the Civil War unique in from any other war of that period.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:50 pm to
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The ignorance on this board is only surpassed by the ignorance on the rant most days.


Why is it, in your opinion, an ignorant statement?
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:56 pm to
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The World War soldiers were fighting for their countries and the fate of the entire world. The soldiers believed in the cause for the most part.

Except in WW1 nobody really knew what the cause was.
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:02 pm to
That the root cause of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is combat? Likely because it isn't. There is combat induced ptsd. But to suggest that the traumatic, stressful situations that soldiers can be put in that are not related to combat aren't, or can't be the cause of ptsd is ignorance. Police, firemen, nurses, doctors, etc, etc, can all suffer from ptsd, and none of it is combat related.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:04 pm to
In this case, wise guy, PTSD is caused by combat. See, this is a thread about war and combat, so it wouldn't make much sense for us to talk about a bunch of firemen having PTSD.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:04 pm to
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More so than WW2 in the pacific?

WW2 Eastern front was maybe worse than the pacific. The fighting in Russia was massive.

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. The Eastern front had the two bloodiest battles in human history.
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19229 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:06 pm to
Derail:

Worst to get wounded: Civil War. Those big bullets meant a near certain amputation if you lived. Second, I'm going with WWII Pacific Theater. You're shot up in a soupy humid cesspool or you're baking on a desert island.

Ferocity of the fight: (fighting men only) First is easily Pacific Theater. Second is probably going to also be WWII, Eastern Front, Stalingrad.

Truest "Meat Grinder": to me it's got to be WWI here. 110 total casualties combined for both sides in a DAY. That's just so hard to fathom.

Worst overall living conditions: WWI in the trenches. Second is the Civil War. I'm not sure there's much difference between the two.

Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:09 pm to
I gotta respectfully disagree. The hatred and racist views by Japan and the US in the Pacific coupled with a shite ton of men on relatively small patches of land was just a recipe for the meanest, most brutalizing battles of WWII.

The Germans didn't muster the hatred of the Russians like either the Japanese or Americans.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:09 pm to
Most of my posts get an automatic down vote. I don't know why.
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:14 pm to
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The Germans didn't muster the hatred of the Russians like either the Japanese or Americans.


You're kidding here, right?
Posted by tiderider
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:16 pm to
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That the root cause of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is combat? Likely because it isn't. There is combat induced ptsd. But to suggest that the traumatic, stressful situations that soldiers can be put in that are not related to combat aren't, or can't be the cause of ptsd is ignorance. Police, firemen, nurses, doctors, etc, etc, can all suffer from ptsd, and none of it is combat related.



no one has denied that other people can have ptsd ... is this where the laughing emoticon goes? ... " " ... does that make one feel superior? ...


it would have to be wwi because of the constant shelling from trench warfare and the enormous loss of life over 4 years ...

george carlin touches on this a bit LINK
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