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re: Which War Would Result In The Most Severe PTSD For Soldiers?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:03 pm to Crusty Juggler
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:03 pm to Crusty Juggler
You're making the common mistake of failing to look at a historic issue from the perspective of the people who lived it. The reason you can't grasp the meaning of WWI is you can't understand the mindset of society at that time. Until you can set aside the benifit of hindsight, you'll never gain an understanding of history.
BTW, whoever taught youvhistory failed terribly. I say that because of this....
It's factually incorrect. All sides pumped up the ideal of Nationalism. Even the Soviets who claim to be "internationalists", turned their war against Germany into a highly nationalistic war.
BTW, whoever taught youvhistory failed terribly. I say that because of this....
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WWII was much more than that. It was total reformation of the world as a whole and ideas spreading and eliminating the other train of thought that was present. It was a war of ideas, not nationality. It was to wipe out fascism, communism, democracy, and any group seen as genetically inferior or harmful
It's factually incorrect. All sides pumped up the ideal of Nationalism. Even the Soviets who claim to be "internationalists", turned their war against Germany into a highly nationalistic war.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 11:07 pm
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:07 pm to Darth_Vader
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American troops later fought to make the world safe for democracy and avenge the Lusitania.
Idk about the Lusitania. We had a vested interest in GB and France winning the war because we were backing them financially. If they lose the war, how would they ever pay their massive debt to us? Also, I thought the Zimmerman Telegram had a bigger effect on us joining than the Lusitania? I mean, it's not like we didn't have other ships being sunk by Germany during the war.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:16 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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dk about the Lusitania. We had a vested interest in GB and France winning the war because we were backing them financially. If they lose the war, how would they ever pay their massive debt to us? Also, I thought the Zimmerman Telegram had a bigger effect on us joining than the Lusitania? I mean, it's not like we didn't have other ships being sunk by Germany during the war
Zimmerman and the reinstitution of unrestricted submarine warfare were the two straws that broke the camels back.
What the Lusitania sinking represented though was a clear propaganda gold mine. It was a lot easier to motivate men to go die to avenge dead women and children than a telegram.
So while Zimmerman played a pivotal role on the political front, the Lusitania played an even bigger role on the propaganda front.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:16 pm to northshorebamaman
What episodes are these? Where can I find it?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:22 pm to Sao
I'm gonna assume this has been mentioned in 8 pages. The big difference between ww1/ww2 and Vietnam was the time it took to get back state side. Even after the war you still had to sit on a ship for awhile back in the day. Gabe you some time to readjust. Whereas the 60's in 24 hours you could be on leave in Hawaii.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:25 pm to Darth_Vader
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It's factually incorrect. All sides pumped up the ideal of Nationalism
Let me correct myself: it was nationalism on top of ideals that were mostly new to the countries fighting in the war. I don't think WWI had any more ideal than nationalism.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:29 pm to MaHittaMaHitta
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What episodes are these? Where can I find it?
Blueprint for Armageddon. It's easy to find on Google.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:30 pm to tigersownall
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I'm gonna assume this has been mentioned in 8 pages. The big difference between ww1/ww2 and Vietnam was the time it took to get back state side. Even after the war you still had to sit on a ship for awhile back in the day. Gabe you some time to readjust. Whereas the 60's in 24 hours you could be on leave in Hawaii.
Another thing that set WWI & II aside from Vietnam is how long troops actually fought. In Vietnam a soldier or Marine did a one year "tour". They could, and many did, volunteer for more than one tour. But they were only required one tour of 12 months.
WWI & II solders though did not serve one year "tours". Instead once in the fighting the only way they got to come home was
A. Dead
B. Wounded
C. The war ended
Basically, WWI & ll troops were in the shite for the duration.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:45 pm to Tigerlaff
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No one was prepared for it and it shattered society's old worldview, catapulting us haphazardly into existential postmodernism
Damn boy, you got a purdy vocabulary
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:13 am to Sao
Former infantry guy and did my time in combat.
World War I, especially as a French or German soldier (or a Brit at Passchendaele) would be absolute hell on earth to me. Eastern Front during World War II would be 1B.
Not sure anything else would even come close. Maybe serving in the armies that fought against the Khans in the 13th century. That's about it.
World War I, especially as a French or German soldier (or a Brit at Passchendaele) would be absolute hell on earth to me. Eastern Front during World War II would be 1B.
Not sure anything else would even come close. Maybe serving in the armies that fought against the Khans in the 13th century. That's about it.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:21 am to vol27
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War is incorporated into our daily lives. Movies, television, video games etc.. If they didn't know then they are ignorant beyond repair.
If you really are a combat vet and think that war is truly incorporated into our daily lives, then I would say you are full of shite. You cannot replicate that smell, that chaos, that emotion, that sound, that feel, that heat, that unexpectedness, no matter what you do.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:27 am to TheTideMustRoll
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World War One was such a horrific experience that it still haunts us, even now. It is almost like modern society's suppressed bad memory of its collective youth. People don't think about it much, but its impact colors everything.
It's more accurate to say that Americans don't think about it much.
It still weighs very heavily in the British, German, and (especially) French conscience. The French were arguably the greatest land military power the world had ever seen up to that point in history. They lost about 4% KIA and another 10% WIA of their country - and about 30% of an entire generation of men - in four years. Probably more than anyone else (besides, arguably, the Germans), they took the blow of the Great War.
You better damn believe that it radically altered the French world view thereon.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 12:29 am
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:40 am to biglego
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There have been countless nasty sieges throughout history. Baghdad was just one of many done by the mongols alone. Historians love to emphasize the Baghdad siege bc they romanticize about some golden Islamic utopian society that never was. Truly, if all it took was a sack of one city 800 years ago to send an entire civilization into a permanent tailspin, then that civilization was ephemeral to begin with.
Eh, I would disagree with that.
The Mongols did a lot of terrible shite, especially in China, but Baghdad was pretty exceptional, even by their exceptional standards. They normally didn't completely raze cities that could be really economically productive for them.
It's what made them so unusually terrifying and so unique. States as rich and formidable as the Abbasids generally survived in some form after the Mongols came ripping through. Not so in Baghdad, particularly when it came under the supposedly more genteel elements of the Khans had come to power.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 5:22 am to Sao
I would say with everything held equal, the Pacific campaign of WW2, beaches of Normandy or most of Vietnam to be the worst of them.
Nam was straight up nasty and they had half a country of people who hated them for going when they got back so there was no safety in coming home.
Nam was straight up nasty and they had half a country of people who hated them for going when they got back so there was no safety in coming home.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:55 am to Darth_Vader
What are some of the best books on WWI?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 7:42 pm to AbuTheMonkey
French were greatest? Germans were twice their size, kicked their arse before. French needed brits and Russians to stay even with Germans. Without allies, Germany conquers France.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:08 pm to Sao
World War II....my great uncle came home and lived in a chicken coop after the war. He killed himself the day after they buried his mother.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:51 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Again, I was speaking to soldier vs soldier, army vs army. No civilian hardships.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:07 pm to AnActualFan
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WW1 and it isn't even close.
Listen to Hardcor History's Blueprint for Armegedon.
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