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re: WBRZ - Lawmakers to push toll route through Baton Rouge
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:24 pm to Asgard Device
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:24 pm to Asgard Device
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I am simply advocating getting the best bang for the buck, which is probably a northern bypass.
This is why BR will have to go the loop alone. It doesn't relieve traffic in LP or AP, yet they want to use their tax dollars for it.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:26 pm to Asgard Device
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I am simply advocating getting the best bang for the buck, which is probably a northern bypass.
I see far too much traffic on La 1 from the Interstate down through Plaq to go with a northern loop taking priority over a southern one, especially since North already has 190.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:40 pm to Roscoe
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That being said, why do you think a new bridge, 3 miles south of the existing bridge, serves a better purpose than the proposed bridge at the southern location?
When i49 is completed, this bridge will be more of a "local traffic" option. It needs to provide support for the current bridge but also not be so far out of the population center that it wouldn't be utilized.
If you look at my continuation from the bridge, it takes continues west to Lobdell (providing another crossover the intercostal) and southeast to LA-30 near Gardere/LSU South campus.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:41 pm to Geauxld Finger
quote:You dipshit. The Loop would be a toll facility.
Tolls!? We don't need no stinking TOLLS!
Two things would greatly improve traffic in BR.
#1 - A loop (for christ's sake Lake Charles has one)
ETA: Oops, I had no idea this thread was 7 pages. My b.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:15 pm to mikelbr
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Now lets get a $1bil project to help with trucks passing through BR.
This too! An industrial bypass would alleviate alot of the big truck traffic that passes through the 10-12 corridor also
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:16 pm to The Sad Banana
Roads in Houston get built fast and immediate , however, they ain't cheap to drive on. That's the trade off. LA could have the same thing but LA dems hate, and I mean HATE , fair taxes. And that's what a toll road is, a fair tax.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:23 pm to fightin tigers
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This is why BR will have to go the loop alone. It doesn't relieve traffic in LP or AP, yet they want to use their tax dollars for it.
Good God, man.
moving interstate/commercial traffic off i10 in BR does a lot for traffic in the entire metro area.
Sounds like you just want to get the pork project and don't care if it is the most fiscally responsible one or not. Unfortunately, our politicians probably don't care if it's the best plan so long as they can claim credit for it and preferably in their district.
The northern bypass could probably be supported by tolls since existing ROW mostly already exists. A southern one probably could not, due to how expensive it will be and people just driving through the state use i12 which will not use it. Plus, a lot of traffic from New Orleans will just use i49 when it is completed.
Ideally you need both but then you're trying to do too much at one time. I don't see the problem with getting more bang for the buck. seems you have NIMBYs and OIMBYs.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:32 pm to Roscoe
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Golfer, your proposed new bridge crossing was one of the crossings in the BR Loop drawings. Personally, I always thought that proposed location was too north in the sense that it really wasn't "bypassing" the city. As the other poster stated, I just thought the southern bridge location (closer to White Castle/St. Gabriel) would better serve the purpose of the bypass and then provide better access to and from the plants, as well as to the casino, and would also provide a closer connecting point to I-10.
This is the same terrible frame of mind the politicians have. If it's too far south no one will want to use it because it'll be out of the way. The bridge and subsequent route has to be shorter or the same length as I-10 from point A to point B or it will be a waste of time for truckers.
One proposed route had the southern loop going across the Sunshine Bridge. I almost fell out of my chair laughing.
The bridge needs to cross well north of Plaquemine. Plaquemine shouldn't even be in this discussion.
Golfer's route nails it. It would be perfect. But he can propose the perfect route because he isn't a politician and doesn't have to worry about pissing off voters.
I wish BR could do something like San Antonio and double deck the interstate through town. That would be sweet.
Also the Washington Street exit should be closed. It serves no purpose when anyone that needs to use it can use the Highland/Nicholson exit just a half a mile earlier before the 10/110 merge.
Then extend that lane all the way through town so the 10/12 split can be split 3/3.
Adding a lane east and west on I-10 through town from 12 to 110 was proposed but the Perkins Road overpass businesses had a shite fit and NIMBYed.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:46 pm to LSUTigers1986
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I wish BR could do something like San Antonio and double deck the interstate through town. That would be sweet.
Do you realize that the topography of BR will never make this feasible?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:51 pm to c on z
You're looking for a different word I'm sure.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:52 pm to Paul Allen
I think he's referring to the soil conditions. It could be done here but it would be a lot costlier.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:56 pm to Asgard Device
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moving interstate/commercial traffic off i10 in BR does a lot for traffic in the entire metro area.
It does a lot for traffic in BR, but going down I-10 towards AP won't change with a northern loop. The people on that route get nothing once they pass the 10/12 split.
The people headed west are fine until the loop comes back in. People in Watson and Walker get a sweet interstate that brings them to St Francisville. The group going into BR get a break, but most of the area that gets screwed doesn't use interstates. (Central, Watson, North Denham) they use the new central connection and Hooper.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:58 pm to junkfunky
Everything road construction related is costlier down here. We just kind of have to DWI. Deal with it.. Not drive while intoxicated. Which is part of south LA culture. Thought driving a little buzzed could help you enjoy sitting in BR traffic a little. But I digress.
It could definitely be done. It's not like we don't have massive bridges all over the place down here.
It could definitely be done. It's not like we don't have massive bridges all over the place down here.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:58 pm to LSUTigers1986
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This is the same terrible frame of mind the politicians have. If it's too far south no one will want to use it because it'll be out of the way.
Typical BR thinking. They want to use the loop, not divert traffic around the city. If no one from BR wants to use the loop then it will work, that means people bypassing BR will be the only ones using it.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:02 pm to fightin tigers
The southern loop is for truck traffic and people bypassing the city. Truckers and people bypassing the city won't want to use the loop if it's too far south and is a much longer distance to travel than if you were to stay on I-10. It would serve no purpose.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:24 pm to LSUTigers1986
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The southern loop is for truck traffic and people bypassing the city. Truckers and people bypassing the city won't want to use the loop if it's too far south and is a much longer distance to travel than if you were to stay on I-10. It would serve no purpose.
How much longer is the northern bridge option vs. the southern bridge option?
Seems to me that construction on the northern bridge option where most of the "loop" would be on the eastbank would cause more headaches vs. the locals during the construction phase (which will certainly go on for years) vs. the southern loop bridge where the majority of the construction project would take plae in undeveloped areas.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:25 pm to ProjectP2294
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Interstate highways are not for local traffic. It's the people of Baton Rouge's fault that they relied on it for that for so long.
yeah the people of BR are at fault for utilizing a free highway.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:28 pm to LSUTigers1986
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The southern loop is for truck traffic and people bypassing the city.
This is a limited mindset. If a southern loop doesn't also look toward where expansion is going, the area will just find itself in the same position in another 20-30 years. That lack of foresight is why we are in the situation we are in now.
The population is moving south along I10 and East along I12. Brusly has exploded because of its proximity to the bridge but the infrastructure long ago was surpassed by the population moving there. While another bridge there would be great, it's a band-aid because it doesn't take future growth into account.
A bridge at St Gabe that connects to Pville and eventually to Denham would give access to a veritable shitload of expansion room on the eastern side of the river while opening the corresponding western side up to that same level of expansion potential. Such a bridge would be an even greater boon to Brusly as it would help draw traffic away making it a more desirable bedroom community.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:28 pm to LSUTigers1986
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It could definitely be done.
If you have enough land, time and money you can build anything. Land and time could be taken care of but we can't just print money.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 7:35 pm
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