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re: War veteran, service dog refused service at Houston-area restaurant
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:09 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:09 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Lucky for him no cops were eating at that time.
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:09 pm to lsu fan cw
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I trained a dog to be used to children that are scared of dogs. She's a border collie. I had a relative whose seven year old daughter was bit by a pit. My dog, never raised around kids, loves children. My dog calmed her fears about dogs.
So, I worked with her so she would not overwhelm the children with affection when she first meets them. She now has helped about fifteen kids with their dog fears, including some who had been bit.
My dog is incredibly bulletproof when it comes to kids.
I have a little sheltie that is the same way and absolutely adores kids, she is great for childrens hospital visits and cheering up the sick kids. Dogs are great tools as well as pets. People who have issues with service animals need to be smacked around.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:12 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
I'm sorry, I don't want to sound disrespectful because I support and appreciate our troops.
But just because this guy was in a war doesn't mean he's a good person with good manners. What if he was a complete dick to the waiter and/or manager?
How about this
He kicked him out for an attitude problem, not for having a service dog
But just because this guy was in a war doesn't mean he's a good person with good manners. What if he was a complete dick to the waiter and/or manager?
How about this
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Brown believes the manager didn't think Truman was a certified service dog. Brown says the manager asked him to leave because of an "attitude problem."
He kicked him out for an attitude problem, not for having a service dog
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:15 pm to Napoleon
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To me while a service dog, it's not a down right necessity like a blind person's dog.
Therapy dogs routinely make the difference between a vet choosing to commit suicide or keep fighting. The service and comfort the bring can't be understated. It doesn't get anymore necessary than that.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:17 pm to Tom288
I wish the article would provide some facts about what the "attitude problem" was.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:19 pm to Dam Guide
quote:sounds like the basis for a skit that daniel tosh would do with his lap dog
Doesn't matter how you feel about it, it's against federal law to ask about why it's needed. You are only allowed to make them leave if the dog causes a disturbance or becomes a threat.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:25 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
The Lone Survivor Marcus Luttrell with his service dog.
This is his second dog. First one was killed by thugs.
This is his second dog. First one was killed by thugs.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:25 pm to Tiger1242
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He kicked him out for an attitude problem, not for having a service dog
After seeing how the place responded to a reporter showing up to ask questions and them repeatedly having to tell them not to touch the reporter or the crew, I would think they probably threw a fit about his dog and he responded in kind.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:26 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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It's against federal and state law to ask a person about their disability
lolwut
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:26 pm to Dam Guide
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t's against federal law to ask about why it's needed
lol no
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:29 pm to ManBearTiger
lol yes it is
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:31 pm to ManBearTiger
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lol no
I advise you to read the Americans with Disabilities Act....
From the ADA guide...
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When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:39 pm to Dam Guide
You can have a mini horse as a service animal as well. 
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In addition to the provisions about service dogs, the Department’s revised ADA regulations have a new, separate provision about miniature horses that have been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for people with disabilities. (Miniature horses generally range in height from 24 inches to 34 inches measured to the shoulders and generally weigh between 70 and 100 pounds.) Entities covered by the ADA must modify their policies to permit miniature horses where reasonable. The regulations set out four assessment factors to assist entities in determining whether miniature horses can be accommodated in their facility. The assessment factors are (1) whether the miniature horse is housebroken; (2) whether the miniature horse is under the owner’s control; (3) whether the facility can accommodate the miniature horse’s type, size, and weight; and (4) whether the miniature horse’s presence will not compromise legitimate safety requirements necessary for safe operation of the facility.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:43 pm to Tom288
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Therapy dogs routinely make the difference between a vet choosing to commit suicide or keep fighting. The service and comfort the bring can't be understated. It doesn't get anymore necessary than that.
Sure. But does the dog have to be in the restaurant? Can the dog be used for the same therapy purposes in home? or going for walks? The point is that a person with PTSD doesn't need the dog to keep from getting run over in the street by accident whle walking to the restaurant.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:45 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
I hope they have some service set up to help these guys when their dog dies. It's hard enough dealing with losing a pet without having PTSD or depression.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:45 pm to Dam Guide
Agency guidelines aren't necessarily binding.
For clarity, violating an agency guideline for Title VII or the ADA or similar may open you up to a lawsuit, but nobody is going to swarm in and arrest you or shut the place down. I think most people know this, but you'd be surprised how much confusion there is about this genre of federal law.
For clarity, violating an agency guideline for Title VII or the ADA or similar may open you up to a lawsuit, but nobody is going to swarm in and arrest you or shut the place down. I think most people know this, but you'd be surprised how much confusion there is about this genre of federal law.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:47 pm to Napoleon
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I still don't know how I feel about that. To me while a service dog, it's not a down right necessity like a blind person's dog.
I agree with this and the owner of a restaurant should have the right to not allow dogs if they want. Patrons have the right to not eat there as well.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:48 pm to Pettifogger
Correct but if he decides to sue then it isn't going to go too well for the restaurant
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:49 pm to AngryBeavers
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I agree with this and the owner of a restaurant should have the right to not allow dogs if they want.
they have the right not to allow pets, but service dogs aren't considered to be pets by the ADA
Posted on 2/20/14 at 12:49 pm to iAmBatman
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Correct but if he decides to sue then it isn't going to go too well for the restaurant
I agree generally. Agency regulations and guidelines are overturned/not followed pretty frequently simply because the EEOC and other agencies are basically advocacy/rights groups masquerading as government, but as a general rule I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of them.
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