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re: Walmart wants to go organic; attacks status symbols
Posted on 4/20/14 at 1:42 am to Nelson Biederman IV
Posted on 4/20/14 at 1:42 am to Nelson Biederman IV
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A taste test of organic produce is so incredibly stupid and beyond the point, I don't buy anything organic because of the taste
You do realize the video wasn't "Why Nelson Biederman buying organic is bullshite" right?
It was geared towards those who think it is inherently better....just because.
It tastes better, its better for the environment, and unicorns and rainbows!
There are lots of people who say organic is worth the cost because it tastes better. Some are in this thread.
It was those kind of people the video was geared towards.
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 1:43 am to Nelson Biederman IV
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Ignorance is bliss....this mindset is what is wrong with this country and more specifically the south. My parents consider themselves to be health conscious and educated eaters, yet they still cling to this notion of "organic" being a gimmick. You have to read your labels. I know this takes time and effort, but it's worth it. There are some products are worth buying and others that are not. Dairy and proteins are worth it, particularly proteins. C.A.F.O's are horrible and disgusting. As for produce, you can make up your mind on that. The reasoning behind buying organic produce is G.M.O's, which there is no real definitive evidence one way or the other as to negatives, while there are definite positives. The other reason is pesticides, to which there are most definitively negatives, but you can find pesticide free non-organic produce. Most processed items are not worth the price and only partially use organic products, unless it says USDA certified 100% organic.
This was probably the best post in this thread.
That being said...i laugh at this...
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unless it says USDA certified 100% organic.
Because the government doesn't take money from special interest groups and has the best of intentions, when it comes to the health of the general public.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 1:46 am to Nelson Biederman IV
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The other reason is pesticides, to which there are most definitively negatives, but you can find pesticide free non-organic produce.
You do realize that organic foods still use pesticides right?
They just use less effective, more toxic ones. And more of it.
But hey, they aren't synthetic.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 1:47 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 1:48 am to Nelson Biederman IV
Wait, youre gonna list dairy and meat outbreaks when I was specifically referencing fertilization methods as a problem with organic farming
weak
weak
Posted on 4/20/14 at 1:49 am to Volvagia
Once again.....who the frick reads labels? Im sorry but every meal I have is prepared for me. #sorryfornotbeingtrashy
Posted on 4/20/14 at 1:58 am to Volvagia
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It tastes better
I love that. I'd be willing to bet that anyone who thinks like you, would not be willing to take a blind taste test.
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its better for the environment
The surge of organic people have caused us to go from global warming, to wearing coats in April. We need to work together on this before it gets worse.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 2:00 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 1:59 am to ByteMe
I know you're right. While I would like to think there are some standards when it comes to that, I'm not naive. Although it's not really of any consequence for me because I don't buy much processed stuff. As for that video not being directed at me, I was attacking it because it fuels the ignorance of people by reaffirming what they already think. It says that organic is bullshite. It's for hippie idiots and blue bloods. It has no benefits. You might have meant it to be for the fools that buy organic and have no real idea why, but what it really does is make folks like rouge who said "see penn and teller" for his views say "see! I told you". I'd rather have these idiots buying local and organic and continue not knowing why than fuel the ignorance of the others.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:01 am to ByteMe
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I love that. I'd be willing to bet that anyone who thinks like you, would not be willing to take a blind taste test.
Ummm.
I think you need to reread my posts if you think I actually think it tastes better.
And here I thought the unicorn and rainbows line in the sentence you quoted was laying the sarcasm too thick....
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:02 am to Volvagia
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They just use less effective, more toxic ones. And more of it.
I am able to limit my pesticide usage a great deal (for the most part, I only use diatomaceous earth) by growing different species in the same plot. If anyone dies from ingesting bug bones, it's news to me.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:06 am to League Champs
I posted a link to the center for disease control's database of ALL food related outbreaks as listed by year, pathogen, and product. My point being that there were organic and inorganic produce alike on that list(it wasn't just meat and dairy). Cross contamination happens a lot and for a variety of reasons.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:10 am to Volvagia
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I think you need to reread my posts if you think I actually think it tastes better.
Yeah, my bad.
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And here I thought the unicorn and rainbows line in the sentence you quoted was laying the sarcasm too thick....
I like unicorns and rainbows. Are unicorns considered organic?
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:12 am to HempHead
You really think that major WF suppliers do the same?
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:13 am to HempHead
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If anyone dies from ingesting bug bones, it's news to me.
It happened to me, FTR.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:16 am to Volvagia
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You really think that major WF suppliers do the same?
No, not at all. I take pride in what I do, not in what others do.
I also recognize that the world would be extremely hungry if we relied entirely on my methods to feed folks. I am simply doing what I enjoy doing, and luckily the market here allows me to make a hefty profit off of my fellow hippies and blue-bloods.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 2:17 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:21 am to HempHead
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and luckily the market here allows me to make a hefty profit off of my fellow hippies and blue-bloods.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:23 am to ByteMe
Old Yankee snowbirds and your typical granola trust-fund babies make up 90% of my customers. You should see their faces when I deliver produce in my '66 GMC.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:24 am to Volvagia
Believe it or not there are reputable companies that care about the product they put out and what their consumers are eating, they don't cut corners and that's why it costs more. Some companies take advantage of the organic label and do over price and do cut corners, but that's why local and what's in season is more important than organic as far as produce goes. You're pretty cynical. By your logic, we should just say "frick it, why bother?" We'll just do away with organic all together. Then nothing will ever change. Also, I'd take the farming practices of whole foods supplier cutting some corners over those of the great value supplier's practices.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:28 am to HempHead
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I also recognize that the world would be extremely hungry if we relied entirely on my methods to feed folks. I am simply doing what I enjoy doing, and luckily the market here allows me to make a hefty profit off of my fellow hippies and blue-bloods.
This is why I'm not really against GMO's. I'd rather not eat them, but Monsanto needs to set up shop and terraform Sudan and feed Africa. They might have an arm growing out of their foreheads in a few generations but I'd rather that than be starving and dying,
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:32 am to Nelson Biederman IV
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You're pretty cynical.
I think cynics are playful and cute.
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By your logic, we should just say "frick it, why bother?"
Not really. You arrive at that by jumping a step with your own assumptions interjected in my thought processes.
I have nothing against organic produce. I just see the mainstream facet of it to be a silly fad with no real benefits health or environmental wise. The negative aspects you refer to are directly tied with productivity.
So how many million people you want to kill because you find CAFOs distasteful?
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:34 am to Nelson Biederman IV
My main concern about GMOs isn't with ill effects to the consumer.
It is doubtful there are any...especially to your joking extreme.
What I am worried about is genetic pollution in the natural environment. Removing genetic variability is a very very bad thing.
It is doubtful there are any...especially to your joking extreme.
What I am worried about is genetic pollution in the natural environment. Removing genetic variability is a very very bad thing.
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