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Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:27 pm to Alabama Slim
One small love tap while attempting to restrain doesn't justify attempted murder. They acted appropriately and within their legal jurisdiction.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:28 pm to Alabama Slim
The full nelson, belly to back suplex to face was executed to perfection...
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:30 pm to Sampson
What could this punk have possibly stolen to justify that sort of reaction. And why not just get his license and info?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:31 pm to fr33manator
Impossible to determine based on when the video began. No telling what he did to provoke the force. Video guy will be key witness.
This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:32 pm to Sampson
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Impossible to determine based on when the video began. No telling what he did to provoke the force.
Also no telling when they began using excessive force to attack him.
Which you know they did.
Those are the kind of people that become bad cops.
No offense Who Me. You know we're cool.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:32 pm to fr33manator
I've only watched the video once and briefly.
Just speaking of in LA. All bets off in any other state.
Security guard, cashier, loss prevention, whatever. Have a legal authority to stop and detain shoplifters. So the detention is not what is being questioned now just the use of force.
I saw them trying to restrain the guy who was actively resisting them the shoplifter begins biting which would increase the level of force that can be justified. Then the shoplifter produces a box cutter and starts stabbing the loss prevention guys. This makes it a deadly force encounter. They could have used lethal force at that point to defend themselves and would have been justified.
Did they hit him any after he was cuffed?
All of the force used I believe can be justified however that doesn't mean Walmart will stand behind them and it doesn't mean they would not be civilly liable
Just speaking of in LA. All bets off in any other state.
Security guard, cashier, loss prevention, whatever. Have a legal authority to stop and detain shoplifters. So the detention is not what is being questioned now just the use of force.
I saw them trying to restrain the guy who was actively resisting them the shoplifter begins biting which would increase the level of force that can be justified. Then the shoplifter produces a box cutter and starts stabbing the loss prevention guys. This makes it a deadly force encounter. They could have used lethal force at that point to defend themselves and would have been justified.
Did they hit him any after he was cuffed?
All of the force used I believe can be justified however that doesn't mean Walmart will stand behind them and it doesn't mean they would not be civilly liable
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:35 pm to Who Me
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Did they hit him any after he was cuffed?
They beat the frick out of him with malice aforethought after he was on the ground.
I'm sorry, I don't trust second string wal-mart security to be able to make those sort of judgment calls that even trained law officers seem to have trouble with.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:39 pm to Who Me
the video goes against every bit of normal loss prevention protocol that I've ever been taught. stores don't want the liability.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:39 pm to fr33manator
He fricking stabbed the guy. STABBED. In the side, by vital organs, with force. He deserved everything they gave him after that.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:40 pm to fr33manator
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They beat the frick out of him with malice aforethought after he was on the ground.
You do realize that he was not yet restrained and was still actively fighting them when they were hitting him? You do realize that those strikes while brutal can be justified by the suspects decision to attack the LP employees who we assume are justified in detaining him.
I don't see a chance in hell that the guys would be charged criminally if this were to happen in Louisiana.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:41 pm to Alabama Slim
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the video goes against every bit of normal loss prevention protocol that I've ever been taught. stores don't want the liability
I agree.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:47 pm to Who Me
Maybe not charged criminally. But civilly he'll be able to sue the dog piss out of walmart.
And again, what material good could he have stolen to provoke that kind of response? Those two guys were just gung-ho about it. They had a complex.
If it were a home invasion, sure. But this was wal-mart.
The whole situation is retarded.
And again, what material good could he have stolen to provoke that kind of response? Those two guys were just gung-ho about it. They had a complex.
If it were a home invasion, sure. But this was wal-mart.
The whole situation is retarded.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:58 pm to fr33manator
Fr33
We are good bro but come on man.
You are blaming the LP guys instead of the thief who was the one who escalated the situation.
Yes situations like this are why Walmart doesn't want their employees trying to physically restrain suspects or follow them outside. The legal fees alone will be through the roof.
We are good bro but come on man.
You are blaming the LP guys instead of the thief who was the one who escalated the situation.
Yes situations like this are why Walmart doesn't want their employees trying to physically restrain suspects or follow them outside. The legal fees alone will be through the roof.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:02 pm to jbgleason
Weird how he called him a "fricking monkey" 
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:05 pm to Who Me
You don't think this whole situation could have been resolved without violence? They could have gotten the punk's info and notified the authorities.
Instead they go all cowboy and risk harm to multiple people.
And for what?
Violence isn't a good response to non-violent crime, especially for a company as profitable as wal-mart.
Instead they go all cowboy and risk harm to multiple people.
And for what?
Violence isn't a good response to non-violent crime, especially for a company as profitable as wal-mart.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:12 pm to fr33manator
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You don't think this whole situation could have been resolved without violence?
Look I am not arguing that it is wise for loss prevention employees to try to physically restrain someone to take them into custody for shoplifting. I was however pointing out that is legal for them to do so.
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They could have gotten the punk's info and notified the authorities.
you really think that guy was gonna stop and provide ID for them so they could call it in? quote:
Instead they go all cowboy and risk harm to multiple people.
See my above statement. But again I think you are giving the shithead thief a pass. He is the one that should shoulder the blame for the incident. Had a bystander pulled out a gun a shot him when he was stabbing those guys it would have been a justified shoot.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:14 pm to Hawkeye95
I chased a shoplifter out of my store. He pulled a knife. I told him to have a nice day.
No way I was going to have my throat slashed over a guy walking out with two quarts of motor oil in his pants.
No way I was going to have my throat slashed over a guy walking out with two quarts of motor oil in his pants.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:15 pm to Who Me
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Have a legal authority to stop and detain shoplifters
Umm, there is a difference in being detained and being arrested, which is what they did. Arrest him. They have the authority to arrest him?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:17 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Umm, there is a difference in being detained and being arrested, which is what they did. Arrest him. They have the authority to arrest him?
Yes in Louisiana they do anyway. I posted a link a page or 2 back.
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