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re: Uvalde officer had his gun taken from him because he tried to save teacher wife
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:13 am to Centinel
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:13 am to Centinel
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The more info that comes out, the more the folks who say this was let to happen on purpose sound saner. I'm not convinced anymore that they're wrong.
I think it's a better example of how fricking dumb small town LEO are and why this unwaveable "back the blue" bullshite is scary.
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:15 am to Baw Vivant
quote:
Unfortunately in life, the stupidest explanation is most often what happened. We grasp for conspiracy theories because it’s discomforting to realize what a bunch of idiots are out there on all levels.
quote:Seeing it has already been posted in this thread. Can’t be repeated enough…especially in today’s day and age.
Hanlon's razor is an adage or rule of thumb that states "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 7:17 am
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:18 am to novabill
quote:
If they had something on them, maybe kiddie porn or somethin
What do you think the odds are that "they" found the one LEO department in the US where dozens of cops had watched kiddie porn?
Come back to reality.
Local LEOs, as stated before, are thieves who rely on tickets for revenue and act like Billy Badass only because they are part of corrupt systems that protect them on multiple levels. When presented with a real situation of danger, we find out that they're incompetent cowards who panic at an extreme level.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:21 am to greygoose
You would have been detained by multiple other officers and carried away just like him.
He wanted to get in there too. The idiot cops standing around doing nothing but arresting people trying to STOP the shooter.
He wanted to get in there too. The idiot cops standing around doing nothing but arresting people trying to STOP the shooter.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 7:23 am
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:22 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
What do you think the odds are that "they" found the one LEO department in the US where dozens of cops had watched kiddie porn?
A contingent of this board is obsessed with child porn or child rape and insert it into nearly every news story. Weird af.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:22 am to When in Rome
It was pretty clear from the outset that, in addition to extreme cowardice and panic, the head went with some stupid containment policy. Basically they made the decision that the people in the room with the shooter were a sunk cost and wanted to make sure he didn't go through the whole school.
Now, the problem with this plan was that when it became clear that he wasn't leaving the room, they should have done something. It shouldn't have taken 40+ minutes to change the strategy. They had a bad plan and panicked on top of it and, worst of all, did their authoritarian bullshite by forcing everyone to stick with the initial bad plan (because authority, especially with LEO, cannot be questioned).
Now, the problem with this plan was that when it became clear that he wasn't leaving the room, they should have done something. It shouldn't have taken 40+ minutes to change the strategy. They had a bad plan and panicked on top of it and, worst of all, did their authoritarian bullshite by forcing everyone to stick with the initial bad plan (because authority, especially with LEO, cannot be questioned).
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:24 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:
A contingent of this board is obsessed with child porn or child rape and insert it into nearly every news story. Weird af.
It's been a part of whatever orchestrated panic conservatives fear since the 70s at least. It was a central part of the Satanic Panic and this is just the neo version of that. The inflection point was the Franklin scandal and that paradigm has been loosely used since.
Not to derail the thread, but the irony is that these memes were promoted and proliferated by the very institutions that actually posed the biggest risk of sexual abuse (churches).
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:27 am to OMLandshark
This is how they treat each other. Imagine how you will be treated once guns are outlawed. Fun times.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:10 am to tigerinthebueche
quote:The frickery is the complete ineptitude of a local police department which is displayed on a daily basis all across the country. But now we want to to believe these morons can somehow pull off some complicated deep state planned attack to take away your guns.
Perhaps. Or Maybe you so badly want this to all be spontaneous and organic, that you fail to acknowledge any possibility of frickery by anyone at all.
The amount of leaps you have to take to get to that conclusion are absolutely insane.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:17 am to dallastigers
quote:
dallastigers
Is English your first language
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:21 am to au4you
Is it though? You can see the effects of DAs and activist judges who singularly shape policy and community standards by their actions. A single Secretary of State can swing an election by their decision- after the votes are cast!
Why is it impossible to believe a police chief (or whatever cop was in charge that day) wouldn’t be able to issue a stand down order or simply make no decision at all and facilitate this type of outcome?
I want to agree with you that this is just plain incompetence. But there is so much failure here, I can’t help but start To question if it wasn’t intentional. Not in the part of every cop in uniform, but by the one(s) in charge.
Why is it impossible to believe a police chief (or whatever cop was in charge that day) wouldn’t be able to issue a stand down order or simply make no decision at all and facilitate this type of outcome?
I want to agree with you that this is just plain incompetence. But there is so much failure here, I can’t help but start To question if it wasn’t intentional. Not in the part of every cop in uniform, but by the one(s) in charge.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:27 am to tigerinthebueche
quote:You want to agree with me because you know deep down it’s just plain incompetence. A “planned” event like this doesn’t take place off only one decision. It’s probably thousands of decisions and actions. It would be incredibly intricate. Like others have said, the obvious answer is the right answer.
Is it though? You can see the effects of DAs and activist judges who singularly shape policy and community standards by their actions. A single Secretary of State can swing an election by their decision- after the votes are cast! Why is it impossible to believe a police chief (or whatever cop was in charge that day) wouldn’t be able to issue a stand down order or simply make no decision at all and facilitate this type of outcome? I want to agree with you that this is just plain incompetence. But there is so much failure here, I can’t help but start To question if it wasn’t intentional. Not in the part of every cop in uniform, but by the one(s) in charge.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 8:28 am
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:38 am to OMLandshark
Again, it seems as though they WANTED this to be a horrific event.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:48 am to OMLandshark
Every single officer on that scene should go to jail right now and stay until this is sorted out.
Some lady called into WWL yesterday taking up for the officers. Saying it was a stressful moment. Lady. Kids died because officers failed to act.
Some lady called into WWL yesterday taking up for the officers. Saying it was a stressful moment. Lady. Kids died because officers failed to act.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:31 am to OMLandshark
CIA targets and handles psychological warped individuals and “deploy them” when they want a catastrophe. All this to take away our gun…
Evil bastards….
Evil bastards….
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:34 am to Out da box
Anybody catch this quote? It just gets worse.
“What officers were being told was, ‘The subject is contained, the chief is in the classroom or the office, negotiating or talking to the subject. So everyone is treating it, that comes in afterwards, you’re in the hallway and you’re looking at it, and you’re being told this, there’s no reason to discount that,” he stated.”
What a mess.
“What officers were being told was, ‘The subject is contained, the chief is in the classroom or the office, negotiating or talking to the subject. So everyone is treating it, that comes in afterwards, you’re in the hallway and you’re looking at it, and you’re being told this, there’s no reason to discount that,” he stated.”
What a mess.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:38 am to geauxjo
quote:
Michael Malice
@michaelmalice
There is no law so obscene that the police would not be willing to enforce it, up to and including the mass execution of innocent children.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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Now, the problem with this plan was that when it became clear that he wasn't leaving the room, they should have done something.
Disagree. The problem with the plan is that it should have never been the plan and is contrary to all doctrine and training. There is no possible justification for not going in immediately, beyond cowardice. Every officer who obeyed the "plan" is just as culpable as the fat chief.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 9:45 am
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:46 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
Is English your first language
Add some punctuation and try again.
Is English your first language?
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:52 am to OMLandshark
This is a perfect example to show how officers will follow orders, even when coming from an incompetent leader, even when they are obviously bad orders, even while children are dying even if they are against the law.. so do not be surprised when they get the order to take guns away from citizens, and they do it with zeal....
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