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re: UK parliament one step closer to passing landmark smoking ban
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:37 am to TejasHorn
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:37 am to TejasHorn
Regardless of your thoughts on tobacco, the way they are going about it is ridiculous. If you just ban something, there will be a black market. Always has, alwasy will. Ask us how prohibition went. Or the "gun ban" in Chicago. Real effective.
Now if there was mandatory testing and a $2000/year bump in insurance? That might cause folks to think twice.
Now if there was mandatory testing and a $2000/year bump in insurance? That might cause folks to think twice.
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:39 am to Indefatigable
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So the same government flooding their country with illegals immigrants which is causing a massive spike in their rape and murders is now restricting the rights of their citizens?
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The government that foots the bill for its citizens healthcare is mitigating the ridiculous cost of care for tobacco-related conditions.
i like how this poster completely skipped over the immigration aspect of the post he is responding to. Corinthians420 would say, “This is the way!”
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:41 am to dgnx6
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People want universal healthcare here
Actually, they don't - we can all thank barry soetoro and his communist acolytes for this un-Constitutional infringement on liberty.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:42 am to CocomoLSU
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I get your point, but the problem is the slippery arse fricking slope that comes with that. Cigarettes, okay. What's next though, alcohol? Fast food? Sugars, carbs, etc.? next thing you know it's shite like "hate speech" and shite like that. Once that single inch is taken, the miles down the road come into play.
Bingo
If the line of thinking was JUST limited to cigarettes/tobacco, I'd understand it. But it wouldn't be. We all got a glimpse of unfettered authoritarianism during the "panicdemic". "Public heath" was used as the basis to unilaterally enforce countless "laws" on free citizens. Hell, you had the CDC mandating that landlords could not evict delinquent tenants
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:45 am to Solo Cam
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So the same government flooding their country with illegals immigrants which is causing a massive spike in their rape and murders is now restricting the rights of their citizens?
We would all just be so helpless snd lost if they didn't tell us how to live our lives snd exactly what we can and can't do.
Muslims are anti-tobacco.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:56 am to Strannix
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And anyone obese would have zero access benefits or healthcare.
Good
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:59 am to slinger1317
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People will bitch about "muh freedom" but when the gov't pays for your healthcare I think they can have a say on eliminating things that are adverse to people's health.
This is the 'gotcha' that most people don't recognize.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:07 am to TejasHorn
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Beyond its behavioral effects, smoking seems also to offer subtler health rewards to balance against its undisputed risks:
Parkinson's disease. The frequency of this degenerative disorder of the nervous system among smokers appears to be half the rate among nonsmokers – an effect recognized by the Surgeon General as along ago as 1964.
Alzheimer's disease. Similarly, the frequency of this degenerative mental disorder has recently been found to be as much as 50%less among smokers than among nonsmokers for example, by the H studies reviewed in the International Journal of Epidemiology in 1991.
Endometrial cancer. There is extensive and long-standing evidence that this disease of the womb occurs as much as 50% less among smokers as documented by, for example, a New England Journal of Medicine article back in 1985. The triggering mechanism appears to be a reduction on estrogen levels.
Prostate cancer. Conversely, smoking seems to raise estrogen levels in men and may be responsible for what appears to be a 50% lower rate of prostate cancer among smokers, although this needs corroboration.
Osteoarthritis. This degenerative disorder of bone and cartilage is up to five times less likely to occur among heavy smokers as documented, for example, by the federal government's first Health and Nutrition Examination Survey.
Colon cancer, ulcerative colitis. These diseases of the bowel seem to be about 30% and 50% less frequent among smokers documented, for example, by articles in the Journal of the American Medical Association and in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1981 and 1983, respectively.
Other benefits that have been suggested for smoking: Lower rates of sarcoidosis and allergic alveolitis, both lung disorders, and possibly even acne. Smokers are also lighter ironically, because obesity is a leading cause of the cardiovascular disease that smoking is also supposed to exacerbate. So you could quit smoking and still die of a heart attack because of the weight you put on. None of these health benefits is enough to persuade doctors to recommend occasional cigarettes, in the way that some now occasionally recommend a glass of wine.
But consider this theoretical possibility: Should 60 year olds take up smoking because its protection against Alzheimer's is more immediate that its potential damage to the lungs, which won't show up for 30 years if at all?
Smoking might be good for you
Really makes you think
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 9:09 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:57 am to CocomoLSU
I think the point he was making is that we shouldn't be paying for people's healthcare...
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:59 am to TejasHorn
they gonna outlaw fast food and all the shite that makes people fat as well?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:00 am to genuineLSUtiger
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They have to save us
WTF are you taking about? We killed plenty enough of them to get out from under their tyranny.
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We are helpless without them.
I think it's more like they're helpless without US.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:02 am to WildTchoupitoulas
He is referring to the concept of “government”, not the UK in relation to the USA.
That is pretty obvious too.
That is pretty obvious too.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:05 am to CocomoLSU
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Cigarettes, okay. What's next though, alcohol? Fast food? Sugars, carbs, etc.?
I'd be ok with HFCS.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:08 am to TejasHorn
LOL stupid Brits.
They will have cigarettes back within a decade once they fully convert to Islam.
They will have cigarettes back within a decade once they fully convert to Islam.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:18 am to TejasHorn
The UK has become a socialist authoritarian police state. Government controlled healthcare, draconian gun laws, knife laws, etc. People there have been brainwashed into thinking that the government will fix all of their problems.
As much as I despise smoking and the harmful effects it causes, people should have the right to smoke in an isolated space where no one is being harmed. The government has no business deciding what people can put into their bodies.
As much as I despise smoking and the harmful effects it causes, people should have the right to smoke in an isolated space where no one is being harmed. The government has no business deciding what people can put into their bodies.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 11:26 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:20 am to Scruffy
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He is referring to the concept of “government”
Ah yes, the slippery slope of government. Once you introduce it, it takes over everything and you lose all liberties.
Anarchy fo'evah!!1!
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That is pretty obvious too.
Not at all. I don't equate all other governments on the planet with ours. We are free citizens, they are subjects. What other governments do to their people rarely has an impact on what our government does to us.
I really couldn't care less about what the UK government does to its people. As a matter of fact, frick the UK, they deserve what they get.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:26 am to TejasHorn
That's just fricking dumb.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 11:40 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:30 am to slinger1317
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People will bitch about "muh freedom" but when the gov't pays for your healthcare I think they can have a say on eliminating things that are adverse to people's health.
Better stop the sale of bacon, it clogs your arteries. Sugar? Nope, it kills you, too. Sugar substitutes? Nah......all of those cause cancer. Salt? High blood pressure can frick you up. Let's look elsewhere.....
Rock climbing? Can't do that, you can hurt yourself. Rugby? frick you.....that shite is dangerous. Better not drive, you could crash into something and get injured.
Go ahead, put the government in charge of personal risk management. Give full control.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:31 am to LegendInMyMind
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Go ahead, put the government in charge of personal risk management. Give full control.
we did, 2020. wasn’t great.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:33 am to 0x15E
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Im on board with banning cigarettes.
Of course.
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Do it to alcohol and I’ll riot.
Also, of course.
"Ban that thing I don't like, but you better not ban this thing I do like!"
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 11:34 am
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