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re: Thinking about filing an insurance claim on deteriorating roof. Advice?

Posted on 1/18/15 at 11:19 pm to
Posted by stout
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 11:19 pm to
My friends worked directly for State Farm and they were salaried. I have a cousin that does what you did for Pilot.
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Posted by CHiPs25
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 11:21 pm to
I'm familiar with Pilot. I was with Crawford & Company. A lot of my time was spent chasing hurricanes.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 11:23 pm to
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A lot of my time was spent chasing hurricanes.



His too but he also worked out of their Dallas office for a while processing claims sent in from the field.
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 11:45 pm to
Deterioration, wear and treat is specifically excluded. As soon as you use those words it is going to be denied.
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 11:52 pm to
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If you should happen to find yourself on your roof with a hammer then there's an easy way to replicate hail damage.


And there is an easy way to tell when it was done by a hammer
Posted by reedus23
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Posted on 1/18/15 at 11:53 pm to
Get your own expert out there to look at it before you contact anyone. If he says there's storm damage, you stand a chance. Get him to do up an estimate and if possible a report of his findings that support the storm damage. Only then submit it to the insurance company. Insurance company will then have their guy go out and look and say no storm damage. Once they start threatening to deny the claim, make sure you tell them you talked to a lawyer about a bad faith claim and then go on to repeat those two words, bad faith, about a dozen times. That's your best hope.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 6:54 am to
You are a assuming that 1) the roofer knows hail and hail damage. 2) there actually is hail damage to the roof 3) the insurance company is trying to deny a legitimate claim...
Posted by Gorilla Ball
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:11 am to
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I have a few friends that have been adjusters for a long time and I have heard too many stories about the claims they deny from hail storms and it's always people using hammers on their roofs and/or vehicles. One told me that you could actually see blue paint that came from the tip of a hammer in each spot the guy hit. Another was a guy using a golf ball in a sock on his car. You could see the golf ball dimples and fibers of the sock in the paint.



that's a lot of work to fraud someone. I would think it would be easy to tell the difference between a hammer and hail damage. The golf ball in a sock is taking this to a different level -
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:11 am to
I bet he's the first guy to complain about premium increases too.
Posted by jpggpj
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:13 am to
Not sure why type of shingle you have but a class action lawsuit has been filed with GAF Timberline Architectural shingles. There are a few other models of shingles also I believe but I know that one for sure. Claim is shingle is basically breaking down prematurely and causing damage to homes. The shingles in question would have had to be put on your roof in the past 10 years. Just some info you may benefit from.
Posted by OLDBEACHCOMBER
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:22 am to
If you knew the roofer that installed it that would get you nowhere. Unless you prove he installed it improperly. The warranty is with the manufacturer and they never pay claims. It's always something other than the quality of their shingles.
Posted by WPBTiger
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:27 am to
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I'm under the assumption that something happened to it. Hail damage or some such. The shingles are supposed to last 30 years.
Posted by Cracker
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:38 am to
Dummy
That's not how insurance works you dumb dumb
Posted by stout
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:39 am to
They said the other thing about hail is it's completely random where as when someone fakes it you can usually see a pattern and on vehicles they forget to hit the sides. Only roof, hood, and trunk.
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:41 am to
And the roofs of the houses never seem to have damage within a foot or so of the edges of the roof.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:47 am to
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They said the other thing about hail is it's completely random where as when someone fakes it you can usually see a pattern and on vehicles they forget to hit the sides. Only roof, hood, and trunk.


idiots
Posted by stout
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:50 am to
I lol about people that do that only to be denied then they're left with an even more fricked up vehicle or roof.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:51 am to
Mechanical damage to a roof is very easy to tell for an experienced adjuster. I know within moments of getting on a roof that something is wrong...
Posted by Gorilla Ball
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:55 am to


I've never been a adjuster but I would think that it would be easy to tell the difference - I would think the hammer would have circle or halfmoon type of damage and would probably be more uniform in damage. Especially if its along the edge of the roof - that would make me
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 8:02 am
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 8:02 am to
Yep and the hammer crushes the granulars, haul does no do that, just bruises the shingles. I could take the average person an a roof that was damged with 1.25" hail and ask them to show me the haul damage to the shingles and they would not be able to do so. It is not something that stands out, detecting impact damage is a skill...
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