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re: The ramblings of a St. George opponent

Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:05 am to
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:05 am to
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Potentially yes.......however it just appears to me that we have Nero'd this situation long enough. Like I said St. George probably isn't the answer, but is sitting around doing nothing and waiting for it to get worse any better?


I'll submit a hypothetical I proposed in another thread on the matter for your consideration.







Meet Janet. She's a single mother with four hoodlums. Janet admittedly made bad choices, but like many mothers, still wants to get her little angels who can do no wrong in a better school district, and get them away from the other little angels, I mean hoodlums. St George passes, and developers do as they are continuing to do in this city, and that's overbuild the hell out of multi family housing, and now even more new developments go up around shopping malls and next to nice neighborhoods to get ready for the flow of people, and so people begin moving out of the old properties into the new ones. Now, there's occupancy issues at the older properties, and so they lower their rent, and Janet moves her and her four street urchins to St. George, things get worse, and more properties are going up, and more properties are having trouble with occupancy. Management changes are everywhere until owners need to get money flowing and people to pay their damn rent, so one after another, whole areas of St. George begin going with secured money by way of section 8 and tax credit, and the more fall by the way side, the more follow until whole areas of St. George are being taken over by this epidemic and the people begin to move to the newer sections of St. George with the new buildings and better housing. More demand for affordable multi family housing is in place, and the process gets out of control, and now many of the people Janet was trying to get her kids away from have now moved to St. George also.

Track housing starts going up, and wooooohooooo, the good times are back and rolling along again... Politicians are patting themselves on the back, and people working in or supporting the construction industry are ALL IN and hoping it can stick around so they can buy that new camp and boat. People living in the new complexes begin buying up homes, and the new properties are taking more people in, and more older pre existing properties get into trouble, and the cycle continues, ad nauseam.

That's what I mean you can't divide the city. There are no lines that keep one problem away from the other, no great body of water, no moat, no wall, no check points. There is no such thing as a South Baton Rouge, and a North Baton Rouge, just Baton Rouge. And so.... When you create this demand because of a perceived draw for a school district, regardless if it's a positive or not, will make Baton Rouge and St. George a bigger ghetto than it's ever been, and quick. The desire for fast money and growth by people, and by politicians seeking to put a feather in their cap politically will escalate and exacerbate a current problem that comes from evacuating the city under the delusion that you can run from your problems instead of facing them.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:06 am to
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Why so much BR hate propagated in these SG threads?
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Because it's the cool thing to do.

Truth.

And because of rampant ignorance.
Posted by Louisiania
Member since Nov 2013
150 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:07 am to
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I'm not 100% for St. George....but I'm about at the point now where I say frick it lets give it a try because we can't get much worse from an administrative and educational perspective. I think a good many people are like this as well.



I think this is the exact type of thing people say before they do something rash that does, in fact, make things much worse.
Posted by LSUWrangler
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
365 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:12 am to
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I think this is the exact type of thing people say before they do something rash that does, in fact, make things much worse.


Zachary and Central, with the #1 and #4 school districts in the state disagree. If nothing else, they prove that this not only works in EBR, it works quite well.

I don't disagree that things could go wrong, but like the previous poster said, how long do families sit on their hands paying into a school system that is anything but successful? I commend them for at least staying in EBR rather than fleeing to LP or AP, which seems to be such a popular decision.
Posted by LSUMJ
BR
Member since Sep 2004
19871 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:14 am to
so all we have to do to fix the schools is end poverty
dammit why hasnt any other city in the world thought of this.
now that we know what to do, i say be the end of the week, poverty in BR could be gone
Posted by alfredblueforheisman
Member since Aug 2010
974 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:15 am to
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I'm not 100% for St. George....but I'm about at the point now where I say frick it lets give it a try because we can't get much worse from an administrative and educational perspective. I think a good many people are like this as well.


Starting a new city isn't the answer though.

People bitch and moan about the federal government constantly. Does anyone say "Hey let's break free from America and start our own country in Louisiana!" Hell no. You deal with it, or you make an attempt to get people from your area on the school board, metro council, legislature, etc to push solutions to your issues through. The private school education is great in this city also, from the elementary level all the way through high school. Public schools are a mess, yes. How in the world can anyone be sure a new city will alleviate these problems?

I live in this St. George Proposal and i'm definitely against it. This whole "Village of St. George" thing reeks of a backyard BBQ movement of people who decided they are upset with the town/government/schools/etc and decided one day, "hey it would be a great idea to start a new city!!!! YAY!!! That will fix everything" The majority of the ones in support of this have no clue how to run a city, what's involved in it, and are so unprepared for this. For those reasons, I am against it. This city isn't perfect by any means, but IMO this idea smells of disaster.

Reminds me completely of this:

Petoria
Posted by Lee Chatelain
I love the OT!
Member since Oct 2008
11331 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:17 am to
"It's time to give the wealth back to the people" What a f'ing moron. He's absolutely clueless!
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:19 am to
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The majority of the ones in support of this have no clue how to run a city, what's involved in it, and are so unprepared for this. For those reasons, I am against it. This city isn't perfect by any means, but IMO this idea smells of disaster.


Furthermore, I'd say many of them are the same decision makers that got Baton Rouge in the fix it's in, in the first place, so that ought to tell you a lot about who would be in charge of the new St. George.

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56396 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:20 am to
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Posted by Golfer I'm on the other end of his political spectrum and don't think St. George is the solution.


It is a solution for St. George.
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
4144 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:22 am to
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Starting a new city isn't the answer though.


How can you keep saying that when it has worked so well for central and Zachary? There are 2 good, recent examples of the success that proSG people are trying to achieve. It's been done already, twice, and it works. Did you complain like this when Central broke away? How about Zachary?
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:30 am to
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How can you keep saying that when it has worked so well for central and Zachary? There are 2 good, recent examples of the success that proSG people are trying to achieve. It's been done already, twice, and it works. Did you complain like this when Central broke away? How about Zachary?



Ask anyone from 1973 to present living in Shenandoah where they are from and they say Baton Rouge Louisiana.

Ask anyone from Central or Zachary from the same time period, and all will say Central or Zachary.

There is NO SUCH THING as St. George. It's pulled out of thin air. There is no such place, simply because the area people are now referring to as this is comprised of Baton Rouge people who moved out to these subdivisions because they were the new developments of Baton Rouge, and this was well before the bussing issues. They were just the new areas to move to, like Broadmoor and Sherwood Forrest were as well at one time.
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2739 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:31 am to
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Why so much BR hate propagated in these SG threads?


The economic climate in BR is good, and getting better. The schools however are not. When people move here from out of state they either don't live in metro br, or they pay tuition.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:32 am to
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The economic climate in BR is good, and getting better. The schools however are not.
See what I mean about rampant ignorance?
Posted by alfredblueforheisman
Member since Aug 2010
974 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:33 am to
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How can you keep saying that when it has worked so well for central and Zachary? There are 2 good, recent examples of the success that proSG people are trying to achieve. It's been done already, twice, and it works. Did you complain like this when Central broke away? How about Zachary?


I'm not complaining. I'm just not for it. Just because it worked in other situations doesn't mean it will work this time. I don't trust it, nor do I trust the people spear heading it. And there is no way the funding will be there in this situation, IMO. That's why i'm against it.

Maybe if they are more prepared in a couple years, I could be for it. My kids will always be in catholic schools anyway, so I guess that's why i'm not super involved in this.

I am 100% in support of St. George FD getting the necessary funding they need from the existing city of BR. That should be able to be done with the system that is currently in place.
Posted by MrCoolBeans
Coolsville
Member since Jan 2014
242 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:36 am to
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thing reeks of a backyard BBQ movement


I wish I had a pic of the typical SG supporter.
All white "contractor special" Reebok tennis shoes
Wrangler jorts
Phone clipped on the belt
shirt with son's travel ball team logo
Tall boy with NASCAR koozie
mustache
and breath reeks of sunflower seeds and racism

Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
4144 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:36 am to
Ok so this will end badly because my dad who has lived in the Shenandoah area since the early 80's traditionally calls BR his home and people from Central and Zachary traditionally called Central and Zachary home? Do you realize that your argument has nothing to do with the outcome of this "breakaway"? Who cares what the people who live within the SG boundaries called their home city in the 70's?
Posted by Louisiania
Member since Nov 2013
150 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:36 am to
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It is a solution for St. George.



It's really not. As a resident of area, I agree that making a cash grab to keep all the sales tax from Baton Rouge's largest retail centers for ourselves sounds interesting, but when the rest of baton rouge goes bankrupt, the economy of the whole area plummets faster than we've ever seen. Then sales tax revenue falls, and now "St. George" is bankrupt too. Suddenly, poverty and crime are at all time highs in both areas.
Posted by feedthepig20
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:39 am to
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 11:05 pm
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
4144 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:40 am to
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alfredblueforheisman

So you don't trust the people leading the SG breakaway? Which ones in particular? What did they do for you to not trust them? And how can you say that the funding will not be there? The tax revenue for SG will exceed the current average tax revenue for BR. Sure there might be some initial cash flow issues but the tax revenue will not be a problem.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:41 am to
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The tax revenue for SG will exceed the current average tax revenue for BR.
What does this mean?

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So you don't trust the people leading the SG breakaway? Which ones in particular?
Bodi White and Lionel Rainey, III

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