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The Free State of Jones ( a little Civil War discussion)
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:11 pm
Interesting stuff. A group of "Southern Yankees" as they called themselves. While it's easy for Southerners now to look at the story and call them flat out traitors. If you see what they were indeed fighting against and for, it's hard to call them that.
Interesting to me. A lot of people (n this board especially) romanticize the South. We forget that the middle class and soldiers families were being shite on so that the plantation class could survive. Interesting to see how many confederate families starved because of crooked Confederate tax officials. It's easy to see why the Free State of Jones was declared.
I know most won't care to learn about this and shrug it off as abolitionist history, but these are the tales from the war that are important.
I wonder how well the movie will convey this story. It's always been an interesting tale for me.
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Soon after the election of Abraham Lincoln as United States president in November 1860, slave-owning planters led Mississippi to join South Carolina and secede from the Union in January 1861. Other southern states would follow suit. Mississippi’s Declaration of Secession reflected the planters’ interests in the first sentence: “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery ….” However, the yeoman farmers and cattle herders of Jones County had little use for a war over a “state’s right” to maintain the institution of slavery. By 1860, slaves made up only 12 percent of the total population in Jones County, the smallest percentage of any county in the state.
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April 1861 the American Civil War began. Many Mississippians, including Newt Knight, were opposed to secession and war. They viewed the rebellious Confederate government as the invading body. But the state was swept up in war-fever, and those who opposed the new Confederate government were labeled cowards or traitors. All across Mississippi, the opponents of the Confederacy were often persecuted in what witnesses described as “… a reign of terror … Many are forced into the army, instant death being the penalty in case of refusal, thus constraining us to bear arms against our country ….” Under these circumstances, Knight reluctantly enlisted in the Confederate Army in the early fall of 1861.
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May 13, 1862, Newt Knight enlisted as a private with his friends and neighbors into Company F of the Seventh Battalion, Mississippi Infantry in Jasper County. They enlisted together so they could avoid being drafted away to serve with strangers.
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the Confederate Congress had passed the infamous “Twenty-Negro Law,” which allowed planters who owned twenty or more slaves to be exempt from fighting. Newt’s friend and comrade, Private Jasper Collins, was furious: “This law … makes it a rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight.” Collins threw down his weapon and left the Confederate Army for good.
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Newt was shocked by the condition of the people on the home front. With so many men away fighting the war, the farms were run-down and crops had failed for lack of labor. The women of Jones, Jasper, and Smith counties were struggling to feed their hungry children. Even worse, the Confederate authorities had imposed the hated “tax-in-kind” system in which tax collectors took what they wanted for use by the Confederate armies. They took meat from the smokehouses. They took horses, hogs, chickens, and corn. They took cloth the women had saved to make clothes for the children. Confederate Colonel William N. Brown reported that the corrupt Confederate tax officials had “done more to demoralize Jones County than the whole Yankee army.”
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Newton Knight quickly organized a company of approximately 125 men from Jones, Jasper, Covington, and Smith counties to defend themselves against the Confederates.
quote:whole story here
The Natchez Courier reported in its July 12, 1864, edition that Jones County had seceded from the Confederacy. A few days after his destructive Meridian campaign in February 1864, Union General Sherman wrote that he had received “a declaration of independence” from a group of local citizens who opposed the Confederacy.
Interesting to me. A lot of people (n this board especially) romanticize the South. We forget that the middle class and soldiers families were being shite on so that the plantation class could survive. Interesting to see how many confederate families starved because of crooked Confederate tax officials. It's easy to see why the Free State of Jones was declared.
I know most won't care to learn about this and shrug it off as abolitionist history, but these are the tales from the war that are important.
I wonder how well the movie will convey this story. It's always been an interesting tale for me.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:15 pm to Napoleon
Didn't read. But after living in Jones County Mississippi for three years, I was never so happy to get out of a place.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:17 pm to Napoleon
quote:Screw Obama! I'll die from diabetes before I get a discount on my health insurance so billionaire health care and drug company owners keep raking it in.
A lot of people (n this board especially) romanticize the South. We forget that the middle class and soldiers families were being shite on so that the plantation class could survive.
Kinda like that you mean?
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:19 pm to Napoleon
interesting...I may just have to watch the movie.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:21 pm to Napoleon
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the Confederate Congress had passed the infamous “Twenty-Negro Law,” which allowed planters who owned twenty or more slaves to be exempt from fighting.
Wow, ain't that some shite
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:21 pm to Napoleon
In Alabama, there was a Free State of Winston.
Winston county seceded from Alabama. Basically, no cotton, no slaves, no reason to fight.
Winston county seceded from Alabama. Basically, no cotton, no slaves, no reason to fight.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:23 pm to Napoleon
The movie comes out in late June. My daughter has a small role in it.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:23 pm to wolfonthebayou
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Screw Obama! I'll die from diabetes before I get a discount on my health insurance so billionaire health care and drug company owners keep raking it in.
Except that Obamacare makes it the law to give more money to the companies you just described
Dumbass
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:25 pm to McLemore
this is the better book, written by one of the Knight relatives. Shows that ole Newt was basically an outlaw who used the war as an excuse.
Echo of he Black Horn
Echo of he Black Horn
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:25 pm to makersmark1
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:26 pm to Napoleon
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Interesting to me. A lot of people (n this board especially) romanticize the South. We forget that the middle class and soldiers families were being shite on so that the plantation class could survive.
And 150 years later, the middle class in the South is still being suckered into making sure the plantation class thrives using race and economic fear.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:28 pm to CSATiger
quote:Easy bro. Trump has the nomination won. Didn't realize the drug and insurance companies were getting rich on this Obamacare. I'll go do more research. lol
Except that Obamacare makes it the law to give more money to the companies you just described Dumbass
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:35 pm to McLemore
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:07 pm to Napoleon
Very interesting read. My mother's family is from Summerland, Ms., which is the heart of this area. We just attended the Summerland Baptist Church homecoming this weekend. There were a couple of hundred people there that were all decedents of the people that settled in the late 1800's. I never really knew the story here. It is very enlightening
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:11 pm to wolfonthebayou
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. Didn't realize the drug and insurance companies were getting rich on this Obamacare. I'll go do more research. lol
They are. And I would love to see this discount you're claiming Ogumpcare gives us.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:37 pm to CSATiger
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CSATiger
I mean why wouldn't there be bias.
I think it's glanced over that Confederate citizens were getting fricked over so bad by their own government. Then to spit in their face by allowing slave owners the right to not fight, when they where the main reason behind the war.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:50 pm to bpinson
My father in law lives in Summerlands.... I've attended a couple of funerals at the Baptist church there owner the last 3 years or so...
and they do have ancestors who took part in the Free State of Jones...
and they do have ancestors who took part in the Free State of Jones...
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:54 pm to Napoleon
This is the one they filmed in Clinton?
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