re: Tesla Model 3 announced: release set for 2017, price starts at $35,000

I mean clearly you don't seem to care about the primary reason to buy a Tesla (the technology), but keep thinking you've got everything figured out.

so you think those lines yesterday were full of people who make $150,000+ a year? Yes bc people like that have time to go wait in lines to preorder a car two year away right? LOL cmon man

What's humorous is that you're basing all of this off of a few complaints:

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The fact of the matter is that at 200,000 cars there will no longer be a subsidy for tesla. Tesla is hyping the model 3 as $35,000 + a $7500 subsidy.....at the rate tesla is delivering cars that subsidy will not be there for most of the 130,000 who put deposits yesterday.

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Louisiana alone has $8,000 and $9,500 subsidies for EV purchases and other Tesla Owners have utilized these tax credits. If the total amount of a single year's Tax Credit isn't utilized, it's able to be carried over to subsequent years. So this is a credit that pays for itself year after year. So while your argument about the $7,500 federal credit may have merit, it's completely destroyed by your lack of acknowledgement of the very real and significantly greater local tax credit offered here in-state.

There's also an additional $1,500 tax credit available based on the cost of the battery that comes with the car. Tesla doesn't advertise the cost of individual components but they will provide individual owners with that information and that pushes the potential for tax credit to $11,000, which reduces the cost of the base model by 33% down to $24,000 in some instances.

Again, not doing your research on this blows your entire argument regarding this point out of the water.

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Electric cars are just a liberal utopia fallacy that democrats love to subsidize because they think they're saving the environment.

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Actually, in Louisiana's case these credits came online during the Jindal Administration IIRC. So I'm not so sure this is a "liberal utopia fallacy," that only Democrats love. Republicans sure did like the idea too, it seems.

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Can you power a tesla at a charging station using solar power?

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely,

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Glad we agreed there.

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Absolutely, but most of these people just plug it in at home and charge it there, how is the electricity in your home generated???? Its not by the sun I can tell you that much.

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Do you have any idea how many people in South Louisiana have installed zero cost solar arrays on their homes that are now feeding back into the grid? Purchasing a car like this will be incredibly attractive to a huge percentage of these people, and it'll actually spur more folks to take advantage of the essentially zero-out-of-pocket cost of the installation after the tax credits are signed over to the installation company.

Again, you are glossing over reality here that's simple to see. Hell there are dozens of threads over the past year about this subject on the Money Talk and the OT about solar arrays and solar panel set-ups in South Louisiana where countless posters indicate little-to-no out of pocket set-up cost.

Which means they'll have hardly any cost to power their vehicles, which reduces cost of ownership on a massive scale.

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That is why I think its gonna be awesome when most of those model 3 buyers realize they're not getting $7500 off.

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We've already covered this. They'll actually get more than $7,500 back thanks to Louisiana, regardless of what Congress and the IRS do to the Federal Credit. You also realize that the deposit is completely refundable. Right?

Judging from the RAFT of assumptions your post is riddled with, I'm not sure.

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Elon is a master marketer, Ill give him his props, but its all smoke and mirrors his whole Tesla,Solar City,SpaceX is a house of cards. Look deep into it, see the countless secondaries, the way he moves money between the entities to prop them up, its really comical. Of course the fanboys will have their responses, yes I do think its cool to have a $35K car with all the features tesla is proposing but the reality is its not really that clean for the environment if you charge it at home and you're not getting $7500 off more than likely and the "autonomous" features he talks about are silly. The car doesnt stop at stop signs and red lights. The car merely stops and goes on the highway, mercedes launched "distronic" in like 2003 that had the same features of braking and going when the car infront of you did so. Wake me up when his car stops at stop lights and can read traffic lights and avoid potholes.

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So Musk's marketing is what's caused Space X to fundamentally shift space exploration and sub-orbital travel from strictly a government-funded function to a private-sector/private-industry one? He's literally saving billions of tax dollars by spurring research, innovation and competition. You think Bezos is throwing play money at landing those rockets on moving targets in the water? You think this research is just nerds macho-posturing?

Just how delusional are you?

On the same hand, look at Nissan-Renault. Look at Chevy/GM. They're trying to compete with him using their strength in scaling and infrastructure.

If NOTHING else, Musk's efforts and real dollar amounts he's invested in things like Tesla have spurred others in the existing industry to funnel billions in R&D into their own capability to produce a competing EV. Which is what his entire aim was all along.

You're incredibly ill-informed about this subject. I respect your contributions on the MT, but you couldn't possibly have this one more wrong.

Oh also to be clear, I could buy a Model S at my current budget. I simply don't see a reason to sworn that much on a vehicle including all of the secondary costs of ownership.

The Model 3 is particularly enticing since it seems to offer most, if not all, of the technology without the price tag.

You suck too gary.




















j/k

I doubt gasoline ever totally goes away, but if you don't see the writing on the wall for fossil fuels, I can't help you. If I owned gas stations, I'd certainly be looking to diversify my portfolio.

How much coal do I have to burn for each charge?

I believe that is 250 base. You can buy an upgraded battery, but you will obviously pay for it.

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and the "autonomous" features he talks about are silly. The car doesnt stop at stop signs and red lights. The car merely stops and goes on the highway, mercedes launched "distronic" in like 2003 that had the same features of braking and going when the car infront of you did so. Wake me up when his car stops at stop lights and can read traffic lights and avoid potholes.

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You have to walk before you run. Data collection is an enormous part of making that happen. You don't seem very tech savvy to dismiss that over the air update as impressive.

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. I want a subsidy on my rolls royce too while we're at it. 

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There was actually a tax loophole for that not too long ago

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and its silly we subsidize them to begin with

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Seems to be promoting business, competition, and development. Wait, that only works when defending the big car companies and every other industry the government supports.