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Taxpayers to shell out $50M for Marines to evacuate 1,200 Mojave tortoises

Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:40 am
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:40 am
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Taxpayers will be forking over $50 million to have the Marines remove nearly 1,200 tortoises from future training grounds in the Mojave Desert, but similar efforts in the past have proven disastrous, say environmentalists.
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The desert tortoises, already under stress from drought, disease and human interference, will be airlifted later this month from 130,000 acres surrounding the Corps' Air Ground Combat Center. The center is undergoing an expansion to facilitate live fire and maneuver training for full-scale Marine Expeditionary Brigade-sized elements.
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The area slated for expansion is in prime tortoise habitat, and the number of breeding adults has dropped by about 50 percent over the last decade, according to a recent survey by federal biologists.
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In 2008, the Army moved 670 tortoises from its National Training Center near Barstow to new homes in the western Mojave. That $8.6 million effort proved disastrous when it was learned that a large percentage of them died within a year, many eaten by coyotes.
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The desert tortoise is classified as a threatened species because its numbers have declined rapidly over the past few decades due to predators and disease. Soft shells leave young tortoises vulnerable to predators ranging from ants and ground squirrels to ravens and coyotes.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
66007 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:43 am to
Tortoise lives matter
Posted by slinger1317
Northshore
Member since Sep 2005
5858 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:43 am to
Wait until Trump hears about this
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117721 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:43 am to
Last to know, first to go.
Posted by CSB
Member since May 2014
1202 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:44 am to
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shell out
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tortoises


Posted by sleepytime
Member since Feb 2014
3584 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:45 am to
Heck, fly them over here and I'll build them a a tortoise paradise for only $25M
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
22030 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:45 am to
I'm a good right wing voter but you have to realize that we have this beautiful gift called the earth to take sensible care of. I would like species we have today to exist healthily tomorrow
Posted by tiger chaser
Birmingham Ala
Member since Feb 2008
7624 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:46 am to
Tired of tax money being spent on bullshite like this!
Posted by jrodLSUke
Premium
Member since Jan 2011
22189 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:48 am to
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Taxpayers will be forking over $50 million to have the Marines remove nearly 1,200 tortoises

Is this really the purpose of government or marines? It just seems like a volunteer group could easily achieve the same thing.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
66007 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:49 am to
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marines


marine life matters
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
22030 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:53 am to
Well considering the Marines are the one taking over the turtle's native habitat, accountability starts with them to make it as low impact as possible.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:54 am to
But you hear more complaints about the popes buying name brand colas and steak with EBT cards.
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 10:57 am
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:54 am to
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Is this really the purpose of government or marines? It just seems like a volunteer group could easily achieve the same thing.


They are being relocated due to an expansion of the Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center.

I have a feeling there is more to this story.
Posted by TRUERockyTop
Appalachia
Member since Sep 2011
15819 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:55 am to
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I'm a good right wing voter but you have to realize that we have this beautiful gift called the earth to take sensible care of. I would like species we have today to exist healthily tomorrow


Feeling similar. Well said
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
66007 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:56 am to
and, here we go again
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:56 am to
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we have this beautiful gift called the earth to take sensible care of. I would like species we have today to exist healthily tomorrow


Do you hate all of America or just our freedom?
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79235 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:57 am to
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I'm a good right wing voter but you have to realize that we have this beautiful gift called the earth to take sensible care of. I would like species we have today to exist healthily tomorrow



I agree although I do question the cost of the effort.

But the kneejerk "why waste money on the environment" is a weird argument. Money spent on protecting wildlife and wild lands is something that provides a legitimate benefit to Americans.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115968 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:57 am to
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Well considering the Marines are the one taking over the turtle's native habitat, accountability starts with them to make it as low impact as possible.


Exactly. That seems reasonable.
Posted by TRUERockyTop
Appalachia
Member since Sep 2011
15819 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 11:07 am to
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Do you hate all of America or just our freedom?


Which branch were you/are you in?
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 11:08 am
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
68318 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 11:16 am to
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marine life matters


These arent sea turtles
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 11:16 am
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