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re: State of Education in Louisiana and how to improve it

Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:17 pm to
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:17 pm to
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Hold teachers accountable for failing students
Will say I totally disagree with this...


Mainly because you have some students from bad families that absolutely have no desire to be at school. You can do every intervention, have every conversation, and the student will still fail.



I am a big believer in by 9th grade placing students based on test scores in either a college type curriculum or one for a blue collar job
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:18 pm to
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Do the same for MD Anderson with their patients that die. See how stupid that is? A great facility for cancer patients yet they still lose many. Why are schools to blame? We do more now than ever for students.


That’s the most ridiculous fricking analogy I’ve ever heard
Posted by Blackfield
Member since Jan 2010
451 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:19 pm to
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Just more funding period


Classic.

These people will never tell you how much is needed. Just “more”.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:21 pm to
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more teachers
higher salaries
smaller classes


These three are important, the higher salaries attract better quality teachers. The more teachers you have make smaller classrooms which mean more teacher to student interaction.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:22 pm to
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Not totally sure, but I think we might be the only country in the world that spends the least amount of money on education for the poorest populations.

For kids with shitty families, we add in shitty schools. That's not a great system.



I hope you’re trolling, cause I’m fairly sure we spend more money on education than any other country and get shittier results.
Money isn’t the problem. Teachers and resources aren’t the problem. Lack of parental involvement is the problem
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:22 pm to
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Hold teachers accountable for failing students
Will say I totally disagree with this...



Fair enough. In the real world when you can’t do your job you’re held accountable. I guess teachers get a pass for whatever reason.

If I was a sales manager and my salesman couldn’t close any deals or sell my product, they would be fired and eventually so would I.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
25912 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:22 pm to
Better teachers. Dem bitches phone it in and play on tigerdroppings all day.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67079 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:23 pm to
abolish all federal entitlement programs
Repeal "No Child Left Behind"
Bring back corporal punishment
outlaw public employee unions
return local control to school districts

That's basically what it will take. The entitled do not value education because education produces no value for the entitled. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. As long as people have the option to support themselves and a family; have healthcare, a comfortable home, food on the table, etc without working, there will be no motivation to do so, and thus no motivation to get education in order to attain a better job.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 9:53 pm
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:24 pm to
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they would be fired
The #1 reason, they would be fired long before you. Now what if your company hired several individuals who just applied due to the fact they had no other option. They didn't want to be in sales, and they didn't try. Would you feel it fair they held you accountable for those actions?
Posted by YeahYeah
Member since Jun 2016
2183 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:26 pm to
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In the real world when you can’t do your job you’re held accountable. I guess teachers get a pass for whatever reason.

Go to an inner city school and you'll see a handful of students that don't give a frick about education. They literally walk around all day or leave after lunch. You can't expel the student because they're likely classified as 504 or 1508 (those students can only be suspended for 10 days a year)
Posted by jdeval1
Member since Dec 2009
7525 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:26 pm to
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I am a big believer in by 9th grade placing students based on test scores in either a college type curriculum or one for a blue collar job

I agree with you for the most part. Particularly for students that will never go beyond high school if they finish at all. There are also a lot of average students that go on to get college degrees. They just have to work harder at it. For the ones that have no interest it's a great idea.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55596 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:26 pm to
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State of Education in Louisiana and how to improve it

get better residents
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55596 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:26 pm to
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Who cares about the "state of education in Louisiana"? Thats just based on averages. Why would i care if most kids are dumb and most schools are shite. If my kid is smart and their school is good?

this is the most louisiana thing ever. this is why your state sucks.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:27 pm to
If I’m the sales manager I’m the one doing the hiring.
Posted by t00f
Not where you think I am
Member since Jul 2016
89824 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:27 pm to
I’ll buy you a beer and discuss.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:29 pm to
I'm down
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:29 pm to
So pay qualified teachers or social workers higher salaries to deal with these problems.
Posted by secondandshort
Member since Jan 2014
1028 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:29 pm to
That's his point teachers don't get to select their students.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:29 pm to
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If I’m the sales manager I’m the one doing the hiring.
I've been hired in sales by a general manager rather than a sales manager before
Posted by Col Reb is my mascot
Member since Feb 2012
4165 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:29 pm to
Raise the standards to become a teacher and increase their budget.

But I doubt you wanted a real answer with this thread
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